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VW Tourny Round 1: Herman1004 vs. Dwayne
Table - Table 9
Top Deployment - Dwayne
First Turn - Herman1004
Vamp lord ;Death knight,Master of black arts,Gem of blood,
+ 1 LV , Dreadlance
Spells - Invoation of Nehek, Raise Dead, Vanhel's Danse Macabre, Gaze of Nagash
Necro; Corpse cart, Sceptre, dispell scroll=205pts
Spell - Raise Dead
Necro; Corpse cart, 2 dispell scrolls=205pts
Spell - Raise Dead
Necro; black periapt=70pts
Spell - Vanhel's Danse Macabre
480 total for heroes
20 zombies- XX
20 zombies- XX
20 zombies- XX
6 DWs- XX (DW= dire wolves)
6 DWs- XX
6 DWs- XX
6 DWs- XX
5 DWs- XX
5 BKs, banner of burrows- 181pts
9 Blood Knights, full command, banner of blood keep- 620 (Vampire lord here)
10PD +2 each VC magic phase
5 DD with three scrolls
Pre game comments:VS.Working from left to right from the point of veiw of me looking at the link you gave me
the two units of 6 DW's on flank:
ONe unit of zombies:
Blood knight + vampire lord:
Wolves (for baiting and flanking if needed cause not many high elf units:
Other wolves for warmachine hunting startin on either flank for warmachine hunting/rear charges
The remaining zombies will be on the hill behind the army to protect rear's.
The corpse carts will be behind the zombies (one unit for each corpse cart).
The necro on foot will go in the centre unit of zombies untill that unit reaches combat then he will go to the back and keep on ressurecting zombies.
The role of the necro's is to keep the zombies alive like a undead roadblock (no matter how much u kill you can't kill em all),
Because of the lack of HE units the BK's should make it around for rear charge or flank.
Direwolves will be flexible, either flanking, baiting or warmachine hunting
The Bloodies charge the Swordmasters/Pho Guard- depending on which is worth more VPs
Necro on foot next to bloodies= Vanhels dense Macabre (so if enemy flees I can still charge em anyway )
Necro on corpse cart 1= Raise dead
Necro on Corpse cart 2= Raise dead
Hopefully the vampire will roll gaze of nagash in his 4 rolls and it should do big time damage
hope you cn follow that
Guardians of the Inner Seas
Lvl. 4 Archmage 360
Book of Hoeth
Spells - Burning Gaze, Dazzling Brightness, Guardian Light, Cleansing Flare
Lvl. 2 Mage 185 (Will use High Magic if anything else is confirmed. Shield of Saphery and Curse of Arrow Attraction.)
Spells - Shield of Saphery, Curse of Arrow Attraction
Armour of Caledor
Amulet of Light
23 Spearmen 232 (BS
10 Archers 110 (Mage)
17 Phoenix Guard 355 (Archmage)
Banner of Sorcery
Amulet of Fire
12 Swordmasters 240
Talisman of Loec
5 Dragon Princes 160
5 Shadow Warriors 80
5 Ellyrian Reavers 85
Pre game comments:From left to right:
Swordmasters, Ellyrian Reavers, Phoenix Guard, now we're right of the circle thing, Spearmen, Eagle Noble. Archers behind the Ellyrian Reavers, Dragon Princes behind the Phoenix Guard. Shadow Warriors scout behind the hill to the right and the RBT on the left side of the river.
Spells: Archmage lore of light. Preferably Burning Gaze, Guardian Light, Cleansing Flare and Dazzling Brightness.
Tactics: My main worry is the large unit of blood knights and to counter them I will first of all direct the RBT shots at them and make sure Burning Gaze goes of at them as it will wound on 2+ and although they get an armour save, It nullfies their regen. My reavers will try to redirect a charge (frenzy) and expose their flank to the swordmasters/dragon princes. My eagle flying noble and shadow warriors will concentrate on the necros first and my archers will fire loose at the dire wolves. My other units will mainly try to evade those huge zombie units and take out the vulnerable dire wolves instead. Lvl. 2 Mage will cast Drain Magic and hopefully shield of saphery to protect my units and shut down the one dice spamming of ION.
Hope that covers it all!
Last edited by timk1111; September 27th, 2008 at 14:00.
I don't think herman will be able to shut down the Bloodies as well as his tactics gave, due mainly to the Banner of Blood Keep.
Anyways, I think Dwayne has this one. The Blood Knights will get their charge in (even if they need to cast Vanhel's), and the scrolls and dispel dice will be able to hold off the Drain magic long enough. Once the Bloodies charge, they will overrun into another unit, and have take little effort killing that unit too. From there, a simple tarpit and rear-charge type of game will mean they can do it all again.
Ld8 is not something to rely on with Panic and Fear.
However, I think herman's plan has its merits, and I see a Solid Victory unfolding, but one charge from a unit of Dire Wolves will not bode well for the General who happens to be a T3 wizard...
Banner of the blood keep really does save that big unit of Bloodknights. I'm running with Undead as well, but going with a minor victory. Though the Blood KNights will do their fair share of the Killing, the need for screens will delay their charge by a turn or two. Also, the rest of the Undead are a bit of a pushover really.
Last edited by timk1111; September 27th, 2008 at 14:07.
i'm somewhat unsure on this one...
way i see it if the blood knight unit goes down, its pretty much the entire army crippled with no hope of recovering. this all eggs in one basket situation could very well lead to some cratstrophic damage to the high elves if it pays off, however the elves have light magic on thier side, as well as always strikes first and a rather nasty amount of firepower.
without the bloodknights the entire would pretty much crumble (in the figurative and litteral sences of the word. and i have to say the elves have a fair chance of pulling it off. consider magic. while the undead have a quite reasonable magic defence the archmage is packing a good of hoeth. as per calculation from ginger ninja in previous votewars a 5 dice cast from the book of hoeth is a near enough assured IR cast spell. nothing a scroll can really do against that sadly. combine this with the nummeracy of the HE army's powerdice and ranged fire we may very well find the undead unable to cope after the first turn or two in magic.
the direwolves however numberous are quite clearly not enough to overcome the disiplined elven units, the swordmasters in particular with their god knows how many attacks hitting on 3's against anything but the vampire lord and wounding on 2's against most of the enemy army. those kind of numbers seriously stack up and ASF only compounds things. this isn't even considering the amount of chaos the unit of dragon princes could cause easily destroying a unit of dire wolves in every round of combat!
another concern of mine is the size of the blood knight unit. with the presence of so many RBT's a unit of that size is dangerous to say the least and not for the elves. even with the banner of the black keep there is always a chance of a flank shot suceeding and with the curse of arrow attraction in the mix... i can see it happening and being disasterously painful.
another important thing to note is the lore of light. the casting values on this lore are incredibly low, particularly on its top end spells. as such its highly likly we will see spells from this lore suceeding. while the burning gaze can be countered by the banner it provides absolutly no protection from cleansing flare (which isn't classed as a magic missile). throw in dazzling brightness and the blood knights could very well be slaughtered in melee with WS reduced to 1.
in the opening turns i see the HE magic being somewhat average, but dispell scrolls can do nothing against IR and they don't last forever.
i'm going to have to vote for the high elves on this one. there are too many ways for that bloodknight unit to get mauled and nothing to take up the slack when it does in my mind. i however will expect a minor victory on this
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This one is not as cut and dry as the first 2 posters have made out. I have played a simular list to the High elf one, and I know how deadly it can be. The first turn is a real bonus to the High elves, as it means that they can move their skirmishing units into position.
The Eagle noble, archers and shadow warriors could easily take out 2 small units of direwolves a turn, especially if the curse of arrow attraction is implemented.
That combined with the drain magic spell could make casting for the Vampire counts a real pain. The tricksters pendant could really screw up the Vampires day, especially if they are having to throw extra dice at each spell.
In the end, the magic of the High Elves could be much more effective than most think, and if they get the charges right, I think they could edge a minor victory here.
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TBH, the only reason my post seemed so cut and dry, is because I had so much trouble deciding. I was going for HE's to start with, but then I didn't think there was quite enough to down the knights, and once they reach the elven line, I thought it was all over. However, since this was the only real threatening unit, I went for a minor victory.
I'm going to go with Vampire Counts on this one. I think that Bloodknight unit will ultimately sweep all before it. As previous posters have noted, however, this could easily go the other way. Thus, while I think it'll go one way or the other as a major victory, I'm going to vote for a VC minor victory to represent my uncertainty.
A competent general can always overcome the might of too many eggs in one basket. The Blood Knights are a strong example of this. With a lot of assets to destroy the Knights, the High Elves will achieve a Major Victory. The Wolves will be next to useless, probably getting in each others way more than anything, and they will just die. Those zombies are the only hurdle, and can be kept away for long enough.
A solid victory to the High Elves.
I'm not sold on that VC list. If a good two of the Dire Wolves units were at 10+, I'd like it better.
While fear is always a significant factor in a game like this, it doesn't strike me as a determining one in this match. The elves have superior leadership and will pass most of their tests without much ado. As for losing combat, it's unlikely. They're facing T2 and T3 models for the most part.
The Blood Knights can be distracted with a unit of scouts. The archers could even serve that purpose. It's too bad there's not a great eagle in the HE list.
Necros are easy kills, and with that comes a reduced magic phase.
This is a good matchup for HEs IMO.
I bid a minor victory to the High elves.
The problem with the whole dire wolves charging in an trying to kill the mages is ASF.
dire wolves die easily, so getting the attacks in will be very difficult.
The blood knights could be murderous, but theres so little else of strength in the vc army.
High elf magic and asf should carry the day here...