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    FBVW MkII Rd. 2 - Match 13: Bretonnia vs. Warlord Shagrat's Vermin Horde

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    Bretonnia

    Lords:

    Bretonnian Lord = 249
    Grail Vow
    Birth-Sword of Carcassonne
    Grail Shield
    Mantle of Damsel Elena
    Heavy Armor
    Barded Warhorse

    Heroes:

    Paladin (BS = 109
    Heartwood Lance
    Heavy Armor
    Barded Warhorse

    Damsel = 120
    Level 1 Wizard
    2x Dispel Scroll

    Core Units:

    Knights Errant = 181
    7 Knights
    Cavalier
    Musician
    Standard Bearer
    Errantry Banner

    Knights of the Realm = 176 (BS
    7 Knights
    Gallant
    Musician

    Knights of the Realm = 176
    7 Knights
    Gallant
    Musician

    24 Men-At-Arms
    Musician
    Standard Bearer

    Peasant Bowmen = 150 (Damsel)
    20 Bowmen
    Musician
    Skirmish
    Brazier

    Special Units:

    Pegasus Knights = 175
    3 Knights
    Gallant
    Musician

    Mounted Yeomen = 103
    6 Yeomen
    Shields
    Musician


    Rare Units:

    Grail Knights = 321 (Lord)
    7 Knights
    Musician
    Standard Bearer
    Conquerer's Tapestry

    Trebuchet
    Yeoman Craftsman

    Total: 1995
    Power Dice: 3
    Dispel Dice: 3 (2 scrolls)
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    Warlord Shagrat's Vermin Horde

    Lord

    Warlord 151pts
    -Heavy armour, Weeping Blade, Enchanted Shield

    Heroes

    Warlock engineer 135pts
    Super Charged Warp-power accumulator,
    Warp Blades, Upgraded Warp Energy condenser.
    Dispel Scroll, Storm Daemon.

    Warlock engineer 135pts
    Super Charged Warp-power accumulator,
    Warp Blades, Upgraded Warp Energy condenser.
    2xDispel Scroll

    Chieftain (BS 109pts
    Heavy Armour, Enchanted Shield, Warpstone amulet.

    Core

    24 Clanrats (Warlock in here) 205pts
    FC, Ratling gun.

    24 Clanrats (Warlock in here) 205pts
    FC, Ratling gun.

    24 Clanrats (BSB in here) 145pts
    FC.

    29 Clanrats (Warlord in here) 170pts
    FC.

    20 Clanrat Slaves 44pts
    Musician

    20 Clanrat Slaves 44pts
    Musician

    20 Clanrat Slaves 44pts
    Musician

    Special

    25 Plague Monks 250pts
    Additional hand weapons, FC
    Banner of Burning Hatred

    7 Jezzails 140pts

    Rare

    Warplightning cannon

    7 Plague Censer Bearers 119pts

    Power Dice: 6
    Dispel Dice: 4 (3 Dispel Scrolls)


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    I feel sorry for those knights. Jezzails and Warp Lightning Cannons do nasty things to heavily armored units.

    As long as the Skaven deploy back, thereby giving their shooters time to thin out the various knight units, they can easily win by fleeing combats with the slaves and flank charging with the clanrats.

    The hills favor both armies' war machines, but I'd rather be facing a Trebuchet than a Warp Lightning Cannon.

    I'm going with Skaven on this.
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    Mm yeah, skaven have too many numbers and the shooting hurts

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    Warp lightning, jezzails, plague censor bearers, WLC, ratling guns. I think the Skaven shooting will be a force to be reckoned with.

    I think what will tip the tide of this battle is that the skaven can shoot into CC. Usually the Bretonnians will suffer a round of shooting and then attempt to smash the lines, but with their superior numbers I think the skaven can hold, flank and then do even more damage via shooting.

    It's going to be a close one, but I'm going to vote for the skaven

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    i think the only real chance the brets will have is hitting units hard and breaking them in the 1st turn, otherwise they will got flanked and heavily outnumbered. bret charges are nasty, but if the enemy unit holds, then it will be game over for the knights. i think the skaven just have too many numbers. Skaven vote

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    Looks like I'm gonna be the dissenting opinion here: I vote Brets.

    I think the Brets will be able to concentrate force and pick their fights such that they'll have enough speed to line up in front of whatever units they desire, and overrun into other units when the slaves flee combat (or flee as a charge reaction).

    Not that the fight couldn't go either way very easily, but I think the Brets have a pretty reasonable chance if played well. Don't forget that the Brets are likely to be sniping away at the enemy shooting while the rats are sniping away at knights.

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    I don't think I buy bretonnian archery being enough to really worry the skaven. 26 shots from peasants isn't really significant when compared to the kind of shooting the skaven can pull off, or when compared to the sheer numbers of skaven on the board. The trebuchet might be useful to go after his shooters, but it has the potential to do a lot more damage elsewhere.

    A knight charge is truly devastating, but I just don't think it would be devastating enough to compensate for the skaven shooting. Even if shooting goes horribly wrong for the skaven, I think the brets will be overwhelmed by sheer numbers. My vote is for Skaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthrope09 View Post
    I don't think I buy bretonnian archery being enough to really worry the skaven. 26 shots from peasants isn't really significant when compared to the kind of shooting the skaven can pull off, or when compared to the sheer numbers of skaven on the board. The trebuchet might be useful to go after his shooters, but it has the potential to do a lot more damage elsewhere.
    My thinking is 26 shots + 1 trebuchet seems like plenty to take out a ratling gun, have a decent chance of panicking or destroying the jezzails, or a reasonable chance of smashing a warp-lightning thrower each turn. And the shots are much better spent on the skaven shooters if those are the real threats to the brettonian army.

    The shooting definately isn't going to decimate the Skaven army, but I think it has a pretty good shot of eliminating some of its most potent threats.

    I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I guess I just don't see the Skaven victory being the foregone conclusion that everyone else seems to. I own the Skaven and Bret books, but I've never played against skaven, nor am I greatly familiar with them. Maybe they are rougher than I imagine them being.

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    You're probably right about the archery being enough to take down some shooting. I still think the skaven shooting is pretty likely to recoup its value before going down, however - especially if the knights pray.

    I also don't think shooting is the only virtue of the skaven list. Even if the peasants do manage to diminish the skaven ranged power, I still think the brets would have a tough game on their hands.

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    I've never seen Scaven played, but even after taking a devastating charge, I think they will hold if because of so much static combat res. Their shooting seems powerful too. Scaven can shoot into CC??? That will help too. I doubt that clan rats will do may wounds at all to the knights though. As I see it, the Brets can get either great or terrible results with the trebuchet. Though it could go both ways, I think that Scaven will be able to take this one.

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