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King Ulrik Flamebeard · April 12th, 2004, 12:43

Ok I'd like to set a challenge to everyone, after looking at a post in the Skaven forum I'd like to know what's the most over-powered, down right dirty, cheeseist list you can come up with?

Basically pick an army and create a list you would NEVER, EVER want to face. Try to make it so that it could take on any army, but make it so bad that it's wayyyyy over powered.

The limit is 3000pts

So that's the challenge, I can't wait to see what you all come up with

I'll post mine soon, and it'll be a dwarven list

parhaius · April 12th, 2004, 19:59

Okay, here's my uber-cheese list. It happens to be Empire, with a LOT of artillery. I would never EVER want to play against this army - no fun at all. Of course I have a friend who, as I was making this list, asked if he could steal it to make his own army. What have I done... SWEET MERCIFUL HEAVENS, WHAT HAVE I DONE?

See for yourself...

Empire Army - 3000 pts. (Actual total: 2996)

Lords –

135 pts.
Elector Count (Army General, deployed with Swordsmen Parent 1)
Full Plate Armour, Shield, Sword of Power

280 pts.
Wizard Lord (Deployed with Swordsmen Parent 3)
Level 4 Wizard, Sword of Righteous Steel, Van Horstmann’s Speculum

Heroes –

143 pts.
Captain (Deployed with Swordsmen Parent 2)
Battle Standard Bearer, Full Plate Armour, Banner of Sigismund

145 pts.
Battle Wizard 1 (Deployed with Swordsmen Parent 1)
Level 2 Wizard, 2 Dispel Scrolls

145 pts.
Battle Wizard 2 (Deployed with Swordsmen Parent 2)
Level 2 Wizard, 2 Dispel Scrolls

135 pts.
Battle Wizard 3 (Deployed with Swordsmen Parent 3)
Level 2 Wizard, Orb of Thunder

Core –

236 pts.
Swordsmen Parent 1
23 Swordsmen – Full Command, Griffon Standard

80 pts.
Detachment 1 – Handgunners
10 Handgunners

50 pts.
Detachment 2 – Free Companies
10 Fighters

176 pts.
Swordsmen Parent 2
23 Swordsmen – Musician, Duellist

80 pts.
Detachment 1 – Handgunners
10 Handgunners

50 pts.
Detachment 2 – Free Companies
10 Fighters

186 pts.
Swordsmen Parent 3
23 Swordsmen – Full Command

80 pts.
Detachment 1 – Handgunners
10 Handgunners

50 pts.
Detachment 2 – Free Companies
10 Fighters

Special –

100 pts.
Great Cannon 1

100 pts.
Great Cannon 2

100 pts.
Great Cannon 3

75 pts.
Mortar 1

75 pts.
Mortar 2

Rare –

125 pts.
Helblaster Volley Gun 1

125 pts.
Helblaster Volley Gun 2

325 pts.
Steam Tank with Hull Volley Gun and Turret Steam Gun

King Ulrik Flamebeard · April 12th, 2004, 23:01

Ok here's my Dwarven Gunline:

Thane : 115
Grom Armour, shield,
MRoSwiftness, RoCleaving, RoStone

Engineer: 141
Handgun, GW, GA
2X RoLuck

Engineer: 121
Handgun, GW, GA
RoLuck, RoStone

Runesmith: 159
GW, GA, Shield
MRoBalance, RoSpellbreaking

Runesmith: 139
GW, GA, Shield
2x RoSpellbreaking, RoStone

Runesmith: 159
GW, GA, Shield
3x RoSpellbreaking

10 Thunderers: 165
Shields
Musician, Veteran

10 Thunderers: 155
Shields
Musician

10 Thunderers: 155
Shields
Musician

10 Thunderers: 155
Shields
Musician

10 Thunderers: 155
Shields
Musician

10 Crossbowmen: 135
Shields
Musician

10 Crossbowmen: 135
Shields
Musician

Cannon: 190
RoForging, RoFortune, RoReloading

Cannon: 165
RoForging, RoReloading

Stone Thrower: 140
RoAccuracy, RoPenetrating, RoBurning

Stone Thrower: 135
RoAccuracy, RoPenetrating

2 Bolt Throwers: 90

Organ Gun: 125

Organ Gun: 125

Gyrocopter: 140

Total Army Cost: 2999

As you'll notice it has a total lack of combat units etc, this is because I very said the hardest but the cheesyest. I mean come on would you ever want to face this kind of army? I thought not

Anyone else got a good one?

Slai · April 13th, 2004, 00:19

Sea Lord
Master of the Mists, Bow of the Seafarer, HArmour, Shield, Sword of Might
209 pts

Hero
HArmour, Shield, Reaver Bow
116 pts

6 RBT
600 pts

5 Sea Rangers
75 pts

5 Sea Rangers
75 pts

10x12 Sea Guard
10x192 pts = 1920 pts

2995 pts total

First "special" round of shooting gets 130 normal shots and 36 S4 bolts or 6 S6 "no armour save and pierce ranks" bolts. All shots hit on 2+ or 3+ (at worst) .

Seems sort of... "powerfull".

Or just go SAD and take:

5x10 Jezzails
5x200pts = 1000 pts

7x20 Clanrats
Ratling Gun
7x160 pts = 1120

5 NightRunners
25 pts
Grey Seer
Warpstone Charm, Eye of the Horned Rat, Foul Pendant, 6 Warpstone Tokens
335 pts

Engineer
NoGunKit, 2xDispel Scroll
135 pts

Engineer
NoGunKit, Warp Scroll,
115 pts

Engineer
NoGunKit, 2xDispel Scroll
135 pts

Engineer
NoGunKit, Storm Daemon, Warpstone Amulet
135 pts

3000 pts
13-15 Power Dice
14 Dispel Dice

Amroth · April 13th, 2004, 00:39

I dont have the actual list with me,but it consists of something like this.

60x3 Clanrats w/ standard and musician

20x2 Jezzail Teams

3 Ratling Guns

Maxed out magic characters.

The clanrats hold up enemy units,the jezzails protect the flanks and fire into combat. The ratlings are there just for fun,and the greyseer/warlock engineers thins down enemy units. Ive hardly ever seen this list lose...

parhaius · April 13th, 2004, 06:28

Ah, okay... NOW I see the point of this. So, with that in mind, here's my nasty, nasty, wouldn't-ever-play-it-and-will-kill-anyone-who-tries-it army. In case you are wondering, the Elector Count goes with one of the Handgunner Parent units, while the Engineers each go with either a Great Cannon or Mortar.

Here we are: 176 Handgun shots, 5 Hochland Long Rifle shots, 3 Great Cannons, 2 Mortars, 2 Hellblasters and a Dragon Bow every turn. Oh, and let's not forget the Steam Tank's Volley Gun and Steam Gun. Bleah! Beat that!

Empire Army - 3000 pts. (Actual total: 2996)

Lords –

150 pts.
Elector Count (Army General)
Armour of Meteoric Iron, Dragon Bow, Biting Blade

Heroes –

77 pts.
Master Engineer 1
Light Armour, Hochland Long Rifle

77 pts.
Master Engineer 2
Light Armour, Hochland Long Rifle

77 pts.
Master Engineer 3
Light Armour, Hochland Long Rifle

77 pts.
Master Engineer 4
Light Armour, Hochland Long Rifle

77 pts.
Master Engineer 5
Light Armour, Hochland Long Rifle

Core –

100 pts.
Handgunner Parent 1
10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun

40 pts.
Detachment 1 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

40 pts.
Detachment 2 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

100 pts.
Handgunner Parent 2
10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun

40 pts.
Detachment 1 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

40 pts.
Detachment 2 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

100 pts.
Handgunner Parent 3
10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun

40 pts.
Detachment 1 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

40 pts.
Detachment 2 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

100 pts.
Handgunner Parent 4
10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun

40 pts.
Detachment 1 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

40 pts.
Detachment 2 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

100 pts.
Handgunner Parent 5
10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun

40 pts.
Detachment 1 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

40 pts.
Detachment 2 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

100 pts.
Handgunner Parent 6
10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun

40 pts.
Detachment 1 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

40 pts.
Detachment 2 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

100 pts.
Handgunner Parent 7
10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun

40 pts.
Detachment 1 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

40 pts.
Detachment 2 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

100 pts.
Handgunner Parent 8
10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun

40 pts.
Detachment 1 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

40 pts.
Detachment 2 – Handgunners
5 Handgunners

Special –

100 pts.
Great Cannon 1

100 pts.
Great Cannon 2

100 pts.
Great Cannon 3

75 pts.
Mortar 1

75 pts.
Mortar 2

Rare –

125 pts.
Helblaster Volley Gun 1

125 pts.
Helblaster Volley Gun 2

325 pts.
Steam Tank with Hull Volley Gun and Turret Steam Gun

Would YOU want to play against this army? Didn't think so.

Inquisitor lord Anderson · April 13th, 2004, 13:05

I don't know how hard it would be to beat due to panic and animosity but...

Goblin Big boss
Nothing

1482 Goblins

Or here is another quite hard one

Tzeentch lord in Chariot with MOT, Golden eye and Staff of Change. 585
Tzeentch lord in Chariot with MOT, Gaze of the Gods. 520
Tzeentch Aspiring Champion in Chariot with MOT 290
Tzeentch Aspiring Champion in Chariot with MOT 290
Tzeentch Aspiring Champion in Chariot with MOT 290
Tzeentch Aspiring Champion in Chariot with MOT 290
Chariot with MOT 140
Chariot with MOT 140
Chariot with MOT 140
Chariot with MOT 140
Chariot with MOT 140

This has 29 Powerdice, although it does rely heavily on getting the first turn, if it doesn't the 'army' will probably be dead.

The Exploited · April 14th, 2004, 18:45

lord
Bloodthirster
Bloodthirster

Hero
exalted Demon
Mark of khrone
might ofkhrone
axe of khrone
diabolic splendor

core
10 Bloodletters
Bloodhowler
Standard

10 Bloodletters
Bloodhowler
Standard

10 Bloodletters
Bloodhowler
Standard

5 Furies

special
15 Chosen Khrone Knights
Mark of Khrone

20 Chosen khorne Warriors
Champion
Standard
Great Weapons
Mark of Khrone

scary huh

Amroth · April 15th, 2004, 20:18

The only scary thing about that list is the 2 bloodthirsters. Otherwise,it would be easy to bait your warriors/knights into becoming useless,and then 3x10 bloodletters really wont do much,seeing as how they have next to no rank bonus.

Gotcheese? · April 28th, 2004, 01:48

Darn, the title of this post is misleading, i wanted to make a HE list based off of lotheren seagaurd, phoenix guard and a archmage with a null stone. :huh:

The chessiest HE army i can think off involves 6 RBTs, lots of heroes w/magic bows, Tyrion and a ton of silverhelms (not that SH are cheesy). The silver helms are really just there to be fast and tie up stuff.

April 12th, 2004, 12:43	#1 (permalink)
King Ulrik Flamebeard ...lost the game! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sheffield, England Age: 24 Posts: 5,215 Rep Power: 117 Total Awards: 1	Ok I'd like to set a challenge to everyone, after looking at a post in the Skaven forum I'd like to know what's the most over-powered, down right dirty, cheeseist list you can come up with? Basically pick an army and create a list you would NEVER, EVER want to face. Try to make it so that it could take on any army, but make it so bad that it's wayyyyy over powered. The limit is 3000pts So that's the challenge, I can't wait to see what you all come up with I'll post mine soon, and it'll be a dwarven list __________________ Current Project: Orks \| Miniature albums \| http://wellofpaints.blogspot.com/

April 12th, 2004, 23:01	#3 (permalink)
King Ulrik Flamebeard ...lost the game! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sheffield, England Age: 24 Posts: 5,215 Rep Power: 117 Total Awards: 1	Ok here's my Dwarven Gunline: Thane : 115 Grom Armour, shield, MRoSwiftness, RoCleaving, RoStone Engineer: 141 Handgun, GW, GA 2X RoLuck Engineer: 121 Handgun, GW, GA RoLuck, RoStone Runesmith: 159 GW, GA, Shield MRoBalance, RoSpellbreaking Runesmith: 139 GW, GA, Shield 2x RoSpellbreaking, RoStone Runesmith: 159 GW, GA, Shield 3x RoSpellbreaking 10 Thunderers: 165 Shields Musician, Veteran 10 Thunderers: 155 Shields Musician 10 Thunderers: 155 Shields Musician 10 Thunderers: 155 Shields Musician 10 Thunderers: 155 Shields Musician 10 Crossbowmen: 135 Shields Musician 10 Crossbowmen: 135 Shields Musician Cannon: 190 RoForging, RoFortune, RoReloading Cannon: 165 RoForging, RoReloading Stone Thrower: 140 RoAccuracy, RoPenetrating, RoBurning Stone Thrower: 135 RoAccuracy, RoPenetrating 2 Bolt Throwers: 90 Organ Gun: 125 Organ Gun: 125 Gyrocopter: 140 Total Army Cost: 2999 As you'll notice it has a total lack of combat units etc, this is because I very said the hardest but the cheesyest. I mean come on would you ever want to face this kind of army? I thought not Anyone else got a good one? __________________ Current Project: Orks \| Miniature albums \| http://wellofpaints.blogspot.com/

April 13th, 2004, 00:19	#4 (permalink)
Slai Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 749 Rep Power: 64	Sea Lord Master of the Mists, Bow of the Seafarer, HArmour, Shield, Sword of Might 209 pts Hero HArmour, Shield, Reaver Bow 116 pts 6 RBT 600 pts 5 Sea Rangers 75 pts 5 Sea Rangers 75 pts 10x12 Sea Guard 10x192 pts = 1920 pts 2995 pts total First "special" round of shooting gets 130 normal shots and 36 S4 bolts or 6 S6 "no armour save and pierce ranks" bolts. All shots hit on 2+ or 3+ (at worst) . Seems sort of... "powerfull". Or just go SAD and take: 5x10 Jezzails 5x200pts = 1000 pts 7x20 Clanrats Ratling Gun 7x160 pts = 1120 5 NightRunners 25 pts Grey Seer Warpstone Charm, Eye of the Horned Rat, Foul Pendant, 6 Warpstone Tokens 335 pts Engineer NoGunKit, 2xDispel Scroll 135 pts Engineer NoGunKit, Warp Scroll, 115 pts Engineer NoGunKit, 2xDispel Scroll 135 pts Engineer NoGunKit, Storm Daemon, Warpstone Amulet 135 pts 3000 pts 13-15 Power Dice 14 Dispel Dice __________________

April 14th, 2004, 18:45	#8 (permalink)
The Exploited Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 531 Rep Power: 64	lord Bloodthirster Bloodthirster Hero exalted Demon Mark of khrone might ofkhrone axe of khrone diabolic splendor core 10 Bloodletters Bloodhowler Standard 10 Bloodletters Bloodhowler Standard 10 Bloodletters Bloodhowler Standard 5 Furies special 15 Chosen Khrone Knights Mark of Khrone 20 Chosen khorne Warriors Champion Standard Great Weapons Mark of Khrone scary huh __________________ If you are interested in lizardmen check out <a href='http://s7.invisionfree.com/garoq_gar/index.php?act=idx' target='_blank'>The Spawning Pool</a> <a href='http://www.thespawningpool.com' target='_blank'><img src='http://www.geocities.com/thespawningpool/link_banner.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /></a>

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April 12th, 2004, 19:59	#2 (permalink)
parhaius Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 117 Rep Power: 63	Okay, here's my uber-cheese list. It happens to be Empire, with a LOT of artillery. I would never EVER want to play against this army - no fun at all. Of course I have a friend who, as I was making this list, asked if he could steal it to make his own army. What have I done... SWEET MERCIFUL HEAVENS, WHAT HAVE I DONE? See for yourself... Empire Army - 3000 pts. (Actual total: 2996) Lords – 135 pts. Elector Count (Army General, deployed with Swordsmen Parent 1) Full Plate Armour, Shield, Sword of Power 280 pts. Wizard Lord (Deployed with Swordsmen Parent 3) Level 4 Wizard, Sword of Righteous Steel, Van Horstmann’s Speculum Heroes – 143 pts. Captain (Deployed with Swordsmen Parent 2) Battle Standard Bearer, Full Plate Armour, Banner of Sigismund 145 pts. Battle Wizard 1 (Deployed with Swordsmen Parent 1) Level 2 Wizard, 2 Dispel Scrolls 145 pts. Battle Wizard 2 (Deployed with Swordsmen Parent 2) Level 2 Wizard, 2 Dispel Scrolls 135 pts. Battle Wizard 3 (Deployed with Swordsmen Parent 3) Level 2 Wizard, Orb of Thunder Core – 236 pts. Swordsmen Parent 1 23 Swordsmen – Full Command, Griffon Standard 80 pts. Detachment 1 – Handgunners 10 Handgunners 50 pts. Detachment 2 – Free Companies 10 Fighters 176 pts. Swordsmen Parent 2 23 Swordsmen – Musician, Duellist 80 pts. Detachment 1 – Handgunners 10 Handgunners 50 pts. Detachment 2 – Free Companies 10 Fighters 186 pts. Swordsmen Parent 3 23 Swordsmen – Full Command 80 pts. Detachment 1 – Handgunners 10 Handgunners 50 pts. Detachment 2 – Free Companies 10 Fighters Special – 100 pts. Great Cannon 1 100 pts. Great Cannon 2 100 pts. Great Cannon 3 75 pts. Mortar 1 75 pts. Mortar 2 Rare – 125 pts. Helblaster Volley Gun 1 125 pts. Helblaster Volley Gun 2 325 pts. Steam Tank with Hull Volley Gun and Turret Steam Gun

April 13th, 2004, 00:39	#5 (permalink)
Amroth Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 86 Rep Power: 58	I dont have the actual list with me,but it consists of something like this. 60x3 Clanrats w/ standard and musician 20x2 Jezzail Teams 3 Ratling Guns Maxed out magic characters. The clanrats hold up enemy units,the jezzails protect the flanks and fire into combat. The ratlings are there just for fun,and the greyseer/warlock engineers thins down enemy units. Ive hardly ever seen this list lose...

April 13th, 2004, 06:28	#6 (permalink)
parhaius Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 117 Rep Power: 63	Ah, okay... NOW I see the point of this. So, with that in mind, here's my nasty, nasty, wouldn't-ever-play-it-and-will-kill-anyone-who-tries-it army. In case you are wondering, the Elector Count goes with one of the Handgunner Parent units, while the Engineers each go with either a Great Cannon or Mortar. Here we are: 176 Handgun shots, 5 Hochland Long Rifle shots, 3 Great Cannons, 2 Mortars, 2 Hellblasters and a Dragon Bow every turn. Oh, and let's not forget the Steam Tank's Volley Gun and Steam Gun. Bleah! Beat that! Empire Army - 3000 pts. (Actual total: 2996) Lords – 150 pts. Elector Count (Army General) Armour of Meteoric Iron, Dragon Bow, Biting Blade Heroes – 77 pts. Master Engineer 1 Light Armour, Hochland Long Rifle 77 pts. Master Engineer 2 Light Armour, Hochland Long Rifle 77 pts. Master Engineer 3 Light Armour, Hochland Long Rifle 77 pts. Master Engineer 4 Light Armour, Hochland Long Rifle 77 pts. Master Engineer 5 Light Armour, Hochland Long Rifle Core – 100 pts. Handgunner Parent 1 10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun 40 pts. Detachment 1 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 40 pts. Detachment 2 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 100 pts. Handgunner Parent 2 10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun 40 pts. Detachment 1 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 40 pts. Detachment 2 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 100 pts. Handgunner Parent 3 10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun 40 pts. Detachment 1 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 40 pts. Detachment 2 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 100 pts. Handgunner Parent 4 10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun 40 pts. Detachment 1 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 40 pts. Detachment 2 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 100 pts. Handgunner Parent 5 10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun 40 pts. Detachment 1 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 40 pts. Detachment 2 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 100 pts. Handgunner Parent 6 10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun 40 pts. Detachment 1 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 40 pts. Detachment 2 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 100 pts. Handgunner Parent 7 10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun 40 pts. Detachment 1 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 40 pts. Detachment 2 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 100 pts. Handgunner Parent 8 10 Handgunners - Marksman with Repeater Handgun 40 pts. Detachment 1 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners 40 pts. Detachment 2 – Handgunners 5 Handgunners Special – 100 pts. Great Cannon 1 100 pts. Great Cannon 2 100 pts. Great Cannon 3 75 pts. Mortar 1 75 pts. Mortar 2 Rare – 125 pts. Helblaster Volley Gun 1 125 pts. Helblaster Volley Gun 2 325 pts. Steam Tank with Hull Volley Gun and Turret Steam Gun Would YOU want to play against this army? Didn't think so.

April 13th, 2004, 13:05	#7 (permalink)
Inquisitor lord Anderson Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: U.k Posts: 574 Rep Power: 64	I don't know how hard it would be to beat due to panic and animosity but... Goblin Big boss Nothing 1482 Goblins Or here is another quite hard one Tzeentch lord in Chariot with MOT, Golden eye and Staff of Change. 585 Tzeentch lord in Chariot with MOT, Gaze of the Gods. 520 Tzeentch Aspiring Champion in Chariot with MOT 290 Tzeentch Aspiring Champion in Chariot with MOT 290 Tzeentch Aspiring Champion in Chariot with MOT 290 Tzeentch Aspiring Champion in Chariot with MOT 290 Chariot with MOT 140 Chariot with MOT 140 Chariot with MOT 140 Chariot with MOT 140 Chariot with MOT 140 This has 29 Powerdice, although it does rely heavily on getting the first turn, if it doesn't the 'army' will probably be dead.

April 15th, 2004, 20:18	#9 (permalink)
Amroth Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 86 Rep Power: 58	The only scary thing about that list is the 2 bloodthirsters. Otherwise,it would be easy to bait your warriors/knights into becoming useless,and then 3x10 bloodletters really wont do much,seeing as how they have next to no rank bonus.

April 28th, 2004, 01:48	#10 (permalink)
Gotcheese? Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Troy, Michigan Posts: 116 Rep Power: 61	Darn, the title of this post is misleading, i wanted to make a HE list based off of lotheren seagaurd, phoenix guard and a archmage with a null stone. :huh: The chessiest HE army i can think off involves 6 RBTs, lots of heroes w/magic bows, Tyrion and a ton of silverhelms (not that SH are cheesy). The silver helms are really just there to be fast and tie up stuff.