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gingerninja · January 8th, 2009, 13:46

Map: Fields of Bretonnia
Top Deployment: Cakeman
First Turn: no1cafc

no1cafc's list and tactics:

Vampire Lord
-Lv3 Upgrade
-Master of the Black Arts
-Forbidden Lore
-Summon Ghouls
-Skull staff
-Wristbands of Black Gold
-Hellsteed
Lore of Vampires: All Spells

Vampire
-Dread Kinght
-Summon Creatures of the Night
-Blood Drinker
-BSB
Lore of Vampires: 2

Vampire
-Helm of Commandment
-Dark Acolyte
-Summon Creatures of the Night
-Hellsteed
Lore of Vampires: 4 and 5

Vampire
-Book of Arkhan
-Dark Acolyte
-Summon Ghouls
Lore of Vampires: 1 and 5

10 Crypt Ghouls
-Ghast

10 Crypt Ghouls
-Ghast

10 Crypt Ghouls
-Ghast

10 Crypt Ghouls

5 Dire Wolves

3 Fell Bats

3 Fell Bats

3 Fell bats

6 Blood Knights
-Champ, Standard
-The Flag of the Blood Keep

Varghulf

Quote:

I will deploy my army in a defensive position in the bottom right corner close to the back line, with 2 bat units deployed 12" on the board equal distance from each other and the left and right board edges.

With the bats flying off to march block in the 1st 2 turns, I should have 3 turns or so to raise and react to his movement and ambushes. After that it will be fear and numbers that will give me the edge as he wades through 88pt ghoul units that will be significantly larger and my varghulf and blood knights take any opportunities to damage his army. Any bats or wolves left will be used to annoy and limit his movement whilst the hellsteed lord and vamp fly around not getting killed and using vanhels unsure I don't get outmaneuvered. Any chances to take out his wizards will be taken be it combat, magic or psychology.

Cakeman's list:

Characters:
Beastlord Droketh: 300
Mark of Tzeentch - level 4 wizard
Chaos armour
Horn of the great hunt
Staff of darkoth
Lore of Tzeentch: 1, 3, 4 and 6

Bray shaman Gothor: 131
level 2
braystaff
dispel scroll
Lore of Beasts: 1 and 2

Bray shaman Dolkshar: 131
level 2
braystaff
dispel scroll
Lore of Beasts: 1 and 5

Core:
Beastherd: 147
14 gor, 6 ungor
Foerender, Musician

Beastherd: 140
13 gor, 6 ungor
Foerender, Musician

Beastherd: 140
13 gor, 6 ungor
Foerender, Musician

5 warhounds

5 warhounds

5 warhounds

5 warhounds

tuskgor chariot

tuskgor chariot

tuskgor chariot

special:
4 minotaurs: 224
mark of tzeentch
great weapons
standard bearer

4 minotaurs: 224
mark of tzeentch
great weapons
standard bearer

Rare:
Dragon ogre Shaggoth - 306
great weapon, light armour

chaos spawn

chaos spawn

Total: 2248

Rising Leviathan · January 8th, 2009, 16:57

Holding vote till tactics are up.

daelrog · January 8th, 2009, 20:07

Just by lists, I htink Caekman has the advanatge. He has enough disepl dice to stop the majority of unit raising. However, as no1cafc has a stratey cominng into it that looks solid enough, I'm oing with VC.

DavidWC09 · January 9th, 2009, 00:06

I like BoC. Flying VC lords can find themselves in a world of hurt and away from the main army. Ambushing will still hurt and the worst of summoning can be dealt with. Beasts have a lot of damage potential, especially on the charge. BoC for me.

andre · January 9th, 2009, 21:23

The VC plan is a good one, but i also think its flawed because if they deploy back then the ambushing units impact will be immiediate.
That coupled with a competative magic phase, and the impact units causing fear or having mark of chaos undivided give this to the beasts

avatar of khaine · January 9th, 2009, 21:32

i vote Boc because they have the damage potential.

DavidWC09 · January 9th, 2009, 22:38

Why do some matches always get less votes. Come and vote, people!

gingerninja · January 9th, 2009, 23:42

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Originally Posted by DavidVC04

Why do some matches always get less votes. Come and vote, people!

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flesh_pile · January 10th, 2009, 03:57

I'm going to go with BoC as the Vampire army is relying too much on the magic phase which will be pretty tough with 2 dispel scrolls and quite a few dispel scrolls. Once the overwhelming numbers of Beastmen start rolling into combat on turn 3, things will start looking pretty glum for the VC.

no1cafc · January 10th, 2009, 05:05

I just want to point out that in a game using victory points as long as my Vampires and vampire units are still alive at the end the bulk of my army gives away 564 VP's all of which is expendable to keep my vamps alive and aid their goal of taking out the beast in bite(pun intended)size chunks. Whether they will stay alive is another story but the 'bulk' section will certainly be taking the enemy with them if they do.

January 8th, 2009, 16:57	#2 (permalink)
Rising Leviathan From the depths... Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bottomless pits Age: 16 Posts: 613 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 33	Holding vote till tactics are up. __________________ Formerly known as herman1004. "I like my cofee like I like my women, in a plastic cup."

January 8th, 2009, 20:07	#3 (permalink)
daelrog It's what's for dinner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: USA Age: 22 Posts: 1,083 Blog Entries: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 71 Total Awards: 1	Just by lists, I htink Caekman has the advanatge. He has enough disepl dice to stop the majority of unit raising. However, as no1cafc has a stratey cominng into it that looks solid enough, I'm oing with VC. __________________ Daelrog's #1 Wargaming Advice: Get a girlfriend

January 9th, 2009, 00:06	#4 (permalink)
DavidWC09 /botnobot/ Award-Showcase Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Wayward, Texas Posts: 11,788 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post Rep Power: 195 Total Awards: 7	I like BoC. Flying VC lords can find themselves in a world of hurt and away from the main army. Ambushing will still hurt and the worst of summoning can be dealt with. Beasts have a lot of damage potential, especially on the charge. BoC for me. __________________ Blood Gruel the Flatulent Seeks an Army--All the Elves in my Forest--NEW Painting Videos My Warriors of Chaos--Subscriber Benefits--WHFB Tactica Index *************************************************

January 9th, 2009, 21:23	#5 (permalink)
andre Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 531 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 60	The VC plan is a good one, but i also think its flawed because if they deploy back then the ambushing units impact will be immiediate. That coupled with a competative magic phase, and the impact units causing fear or having mark of chaos undivided give this to the beasts __________________ Where did my life go?

January 9th, 2009, 21:32	#6 (permalink)
avatar of khaine gone fishin' Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,253 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 32 Total Awards: 1	i vote Boc because they have the damage potential. __________________ Avatar's Arena #3 let the games begin! The Outsider And Kae'Tyr-necron fluff

January 9th, 2009, 22:38	#7 (permalink)
DavidWC09 /botnobot/ Award-Showcase Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Wayward, Texas Posts: 11,788 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post Rep Power: 195 Total Awards: 7	Why do some matches always get less votes. Come and vote, people! __________________ Blood Gruel the Flatulent Seeks an Army--All the Elves in my Forest--NEW Painting Videos My Warriors of Chaos--Subscriber Benefits--WHFB Tactica Index *************************************************

January 10th, 2009, 03:57	#9 (permalink)
flesh_pile Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 15	I'm going to go with BoC as the Vampire army is relying too much on the magic phase which will be pretty tough with 2 dispel scrolls and quite a few dispel scrolls. Once the overwhelming numbers of Beastmen start rolling into combat on turn 3, things will start looking pretty glum for the VC.

January 10th, 2009, 05:05	#10 (permalink)
no1cafc I have a cunning plan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dorset, UK Age: 20 Posts: 547 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 72	I just want to point out that in a game using victory points as long as my Vampires and vampire units are still alive at the end the bulk of my army gives away 564 VP's all of which is expendable to keep my vamps alive and aid their goal of taking out the beast in bite(pun intended)size chunks. Whether they will stay alive is another story but the 'bulk' section will certainly be taking the enemy with them if they do. __________________ Being Dead- A VC Overview HeroVW- WFB Vote War starting soon, click for more info.

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