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ok, so i was playing a game with my possessed a few mins ago, and i was thinking, do they count as daemons as there is a daemon who took over their body. not to any suprise, they are not daemons. but i was like, i use gift of chaos, so are spawns daemons? no, no daemon rule.
this is the funny part, i checked Daemon Prince, Lesser Daemon, Greater Daemon, Oblits, everything. NOT ONE thing saying daemons...
sounds stupid, but the rule isnt in there.
how does this effect a battle w/ the daemon hunters? cause almost all of those units its VERY easy to argue they are daemons, but at the same time, since there isnt a rule saying it, you can very easily argue against...
lol yeah, crazy....
This could pose a problem with certain units having no classification and I expect the newest CSM FAQ to fix it, but off the top of my head I'd automatically assume anything that has "Daemon" in it's name to be susceptible to GK anti-daemon rules. It may not be listed in the army list itself, but the unit descriptions should tell you whether or not they are daemons. For possessed... I'd just roll a D6 before the game. Personally I think they should count as daemons but I'm not big into RAW stuff and I find rolling a dice for these circumstances before a game starts alleviates any problems (not a tournament player).
Then again, how often do you fight GK? Me... never... so I'm not anticipating any problems.
Pretty sure the Daemonhunters Codex itself has it's own Terminology on "What's Daemonic"... including things like Possessed, Spawn etc.
Maybe the Chaos Dex doesn't have it, but that's because it's more a Grey Knight ruling (as it only really affects Grey Knights)
Take a look at either "Daemonhunter army special rules", or the front of the DH Armoury section- I forget where exactly, but it's there
LO RULESOriginally Posted by Jaffar_Hasad
What type of a person would play a greater daemon and then say, 'technically, it's not a daemon because it doesn't say so in the rules.'?
And.. is it worth playing against such a person?
Also.. Codex Daemons IS coming out. The daemons in the CSM codex are a termporary STOP GAP measure.
The Daemons codex is coming out next year, Karmoon. There's a good five or six months of bitchin' available.
I don't know. I assumed they had something next to their abilities, like "Slow and Purposeful, Beast, Daemon." But logically, I would assume any unit that is summoned onto the board is a daemon. So, greater and less daemons. Also, Daemon Princes, since their whole story is that they're people who became daemons.
Spawn not so sure - they might just be hideous mutants - and same with Possessed. Really, you could argue (RAW) that there are no Daemons in the Chaos codex, and technically none of the Grey Knight's special abilities would work at all. They would thus only be effective against a hypothetical supplementary codex that isn't even out yet.
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Mr_Wayne: "Some people believe that the World Eaters do not field any ranged weaponry. Those people often die at a distance."
That creates a problem with the Counts As-rule.
I just readan army list the uses the daemons stats as cultists. http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...d.php?t=103527 (New Codex 1750)
They are defiitely not daemons, but uses the daemon entry.
"The more choices you force the opponent to make, the better the chance for you to capitalize on his mistakes"
I have lists which do the same thing Mr. Wayne..
but if i was playing a Grey Knight player (they do exist somewhere) than I'd gladly let him take all the special rules against them.
The purpose is to make it easier for people to play together... NOT more difficult.
I must admit, I still don't understand why people like to put barriers between themselves and their own fun.
im not saying i would pull the non daemon card, unless i was playing someone i really hated, im just pointing it out cause i found it very amusing
What i consider daemons are possessed, daemon princes, greater daemons, lesser daemons and obliterators. i just count these things as daemons as my brother got mad about how daemonhunters are kinda messed up in how daemon terminology works. i just count the things that were daemons before as daemons now.
I am pretty sure anything that was a daemon still is a daemon; The units that count as daemons are listed in the DH codex with the greyknight special rules. I don't think being a daemon affects anyone except the Inquisition, so why put it in the chaos codex if the only people who need to read it are daemonhunters? I would guess that it doesn't say that an avatar is a daemon in the new eldar codex, but it will (hopefully) be cleared up with the newest inquisition or daemon hunter dex.