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TL Lascannon + sponson lascannon
TL Lascannon + sponson heavy bolters
Autocannon + sponson lascannon
Autocannon + sponson heavy bolters
TL Lascannon only
I have a razorback that I am converting into a predator and was looking at what is the general concensus on the best allround predator configuration
it seems to be the general concensus around here that generally the best all rounder is the autocannon + las sponsons combo. It gives good, cheap anti tank. But if your looking for anti infantry then the dakka pred is the way to go. autocannon + heavy bolters + havoc launcher. It all depends on what your army needs at the moment though.
I shouldn't really vote, but did it anyway >=)
...because i like Obliterators more than preds (better versatility and mobility (and better to convert) imo). Since i take Obs for Lascannon fun, i voted for the dakka-pred. It complements them better.
If you, on the other hand, are planning to use your Preds for tank hunting, make it Autocannon turret/Las sponsons. The tripple Las is far to expensive in my view.
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Hey look, my poll! I guess a re-issue is justified for the new codex though.
I voted AC/HBs because I really like it for anti-infantry. The central problem with this sort of poll is that the different Predator outfits serve different purposes. It is very few points for an extremely effective mobile anti-footie platform. Add optional Havoc Launcher for ultimate injustice.
AC/LC is a close second. The new trend seems to be essential repetition of the pre-Codex trend only with more extremes - we aren't seeing as many people who still think TL LC/LCs is worth the hefty point cost it has acquired.
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I use both a Dakka AC+HB+Havoc launcher and a Destructor AC+LC. So I guess I punted, but that's cause I like the predator.
It is interesting to note that so far, only two of the configurations have votes.
Has GW stuffed up and made the TLC too expensive and now made it uneconomical?
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I am ready swap out the TLLC's in my Loyalists Predators too; cause the Space Marine redo will kill them too.
It's issues like this that show GW's method of pulling points values out of thin air does not work very well.
Well, now we've got a few votes for the TLLC/HBs setup and no one to stand up for them, so for the sake of discussion I'm going to play Devil's Advocate (please note: the only builds discussed below are the common tankhunting builds - there will be no discussion of the wonders of the AC/HB Predator because, frankly, I don't have the time). Before we start, I'd just like to make sure we're all clear on a few simple equations:
LC = Lascannon
TLLC = Twin-Linked Lascannon
HB = Heavy Bolter
AC = Autocannon
The TLLC/HBs is the best kit for a few reasons:
1. It optimizes its mobility. While any Predator can move, this is the best way to get a tank that can move and still roll two dice for its Lascannon gunning. While it might seem preferable to have two separate Lascannons (as opposed to two dice for the same gun) one of those dice is missing almost half the time (so the benefit is not that great). In addition, if you're playing a competant enemy you will not be able to utilize this benefit because they will keep their high priority Armored target out of sight of your Predator. Also, if you field more than one of these babies at once and you run into a situation where one of your Predators becomes incapable of functioning as a tank hunter (Armament Destroyed or Vehicle Destroyed results), the second tank can much more easily manoeuvre into position to pick up where the first one left off.
2. The Heavy Bolters provide effective backup. If you find yourself in a situation where you're fighting an opponent who does not field a large amount of tanks, the Heavy Bolters on the side of this Predator will serve you much better than the Autocannon Turret of the popular alternative. I myself prefer to run Armorless lists, and finding targets with tanks without good Anti-Infantry backup weaponry can be a frustrating waste of points. Perhaps more importantly, to the extent that the AC/LCs Pred is effective at tank hunting, it is ineffective at backing your army after it pops the enemy's tanks - on the other hand once all the tanks have been removed from the field, the TLLC/HBs Pred simply switches gears and starts gunning with its Heavy Bolter sponsons. Additionally, in the case that the single Turret TLLC gets blown off you can simply switch this platform's task to Anti-Infantry and gun down foot soldiers in the same way. This works even more effectively with more than one tank of this outfit because if one goes down the other can pick up the slack (see above).
3. Stop whining it's not that expensive. I'd go into more detail but I don't really know how without breaking forum rules or being annoyingly vague.Well, funny you should ask, oh Anonymous Cliched Dialogue Prompt, for as in all debates there is another side to consider before making your decision. Keep in mind the following paraphrased points (I'm not going to argue so thoroughly for the crowd favorite - if it's the favorite you should know why and be able to defend your build without my help):Originally Posted by someone
1. Where it may seem that a competant enemy will simply hide from your more static AC/LC Predators, a competant Chaos Player with circumvent this strategy in two ways:
a. blocking useful fire lanes, so the enemy is either exposed or hiding and unable to fire at anything, or
b. utilizing a second Predator to be sure the enemy's Heavy Armor is either useless (i.e. hidden) or dead.
2. The TLLC/HB Predator is much more prone to Armament Destroyed Results - once the Turret is gone, although you can still rely on the HBs for Infantry coverage, you have lost some of your tankhunting abilities and will start to lose ground against your enemy's Armor. When you recieve a weapon destroyed result with the AC/LC Predator you simply feel less prone to a static offense, as you still have one Lascannon left to do some dirty work.
3. The HB Sponsons on the alternate Predator are only useful insofar as the Predator fails. You are logically not firing your Heavy Bolters at the same Armored targets you aim your TLLC at, so either the HBs are silent or the Predator has lost its capacity to do what it was intended to do: destroy other tanks.Well unfortunately there can never be an objective truth on this issue, and you have to take both sides of the debate, weight the arguments, consider your own strategy, and make your own decision.Originally Posted by someone
On a separate note, what about the super cheap Predators now possible without sponson weapons? xx points for a mobile Autocannon, or perhaps more exciting, xxx points for a mobile Twin-Linked Lascannon (I'm thinking three of these in one 1500 pt list)?
Last edited by honorableSimon; October 3rd, 2007 at 07:55. Reason: some aesthetic issues
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To be quite honest Simon I think that the cons outweigh the pros of the TLLC / HB pred which is why you will never see me take them / recommend them / endorse them.I am really not sold on this as it seems a waste of points to me to take 2 vehicles to achieve the same effect as one for half the price of the second.On a separate note, what about the super cheap Predators now possible without sponson weapons? xx points for a mobile Autocannon, or perhaps more exciting, xxx points for a mobile Twin-Linked Lascannon (I'm thinking three of these in one 1500 pt list)?
predator w/ AC turret + predator w/ TLLC turret
predator w/ AC turret + LC sponsons
Especially in larger games it makes much more sense to maximize the effectiveness of the few heavy support slots we are given.
The only spot I see this working is maybe in games of 1k points or less where you want your armor count to be a little bit higher for Rhino distractions.
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