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I use Possessed just the way they are.
I use Spawn just the way they are.
They are just cool bits. That's it.
I am new to the game but am an avid modeler. I try to model according to what looks cool and what is effective according to the rules. That is why I have tons of models that seems will never hit the battle field.
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#1. Ok this is both a hobby (especially Chaos) involving cool models and the competition to win at a game. I just wanted to bring up the topic of how everyone uses the cool models and bits available to construct effective competitive models. For instance I took Possessed models and gave them Plasma guns to represent Chosen. I also used them to represent LC wielding chosen. With the old CSM box I added mutations to my CSMs to represent CC weapons. Not sure what to do with the new Spawn yet. What have you done?
#2. Why is it that the best models available to a Chaos player are rather useless as a legitimate choice? Possessed…Spawn…I am not a seasoned player, but why would GW market a cool looking model for the purpose of bits? I also realize that this board is dominated by opinionated strategic “Gurus” (said with the utmost respect) . Maybe this should be two different posts, but I would like to hear someone on this board give legitimacy to the actual use of these awesome models as a troop choice. When I first bought the new Possessed and Spawns (after I was going to purchase them) I was told by a Veteran Chaos player that these were awesome choices. I have read on other forums about how great they are. Why does this forum say they suck and won’t use them. GW play tests these rules right? They want to sell these models for what they are, not for bits right?
Excellent, excellent, another brought into the fold. Join Chaos, and your dreams will be... *snap* what? Where am I?
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Whoops, that was bitter. Sorry.
But anyway, GW do playtest (theoretically) but not enough by evidence of the lesser daemons, spawn, Ogryns, possessed, or, conversely, the Falcon. They're more concerned with... well you know my opinion.
That said, any degree of wrangling the models and rules can turn them into a bonus. You seem like one capable of that, good luck.
So do you think they don't pay attention to the professionals on the forums?
Thanks for your opinion on that!
My account is still screaming at me.
Anyway, just saying I might be biased, can't speak for the others (who haven't posted here anyway so maybe I should speak for them...), but they likely have a similar story, or at least can understand such a view.
They probably do care about the game, its just they want it to be something else then half of what their fan base wants. We 20 somethings and under, and used to games insanely play tested by the lovely video game industry. We are used to games like starcraft. virtua fighter, halo, ETC. which have been play tested over and over. GW is from an era before video games, where play testing wasn't as important. Don't get me wrong - GW is here to make a profit, obviously they are - so is every other business. But they don't think its worth the expense to create a balanced game. Rather they have something thats close enough, and recently, they've been making things in multiplies of 5s, presumably to make it easier for younger/stupider people to play, regardless of actual worth of the item/unit. However, there is something interesting about a system like this one. In nearly any other quality game, players can except some variation of rock, paper, scissors, and chess. Where as in warhammer the game isn't necessarily balanced at all. Which keeps battles pretty interesting.
Both spawn and posessed were meant to be "fun" choices. Definitely not the most competative but very interesting to use. Sometimes they can be quite deadly, other times they can be killed in CC by fire warriors...
The trouble is that 40k is also a game, a game that most people like to win. This means that anyone that is even half serious about winning the game will take more deadly and reliable options over the unpredictable posessed and spawn.
For those of us competative gamers spawn and posessed are just bits...
P.S. Use the arms from the spawn sprue to model the extra DCCWs on your defilers!
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They're both great sets of models, but I'm not sure that slating them entirely is fair with regards to the rules. I've used a chaos spawn in every battle with my new CSM's and haven't lost once, the spawn acting really well!
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