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I have been planning an army list that echos the old days of our veteran skills using 3 squads of chosen, a unitof raptors wit a lord, 3 predators and 2 squads of 5 marines with no special equipment. I personally thought it worked as a themed list using a seemingly weak infantry team screening tanks while troops jump pack and sneak in to surround the foe. Please give your consent if you think I may be approaching "Powergaming"
Asking for suggestions without knowing what you're planning on doing is like asking a blind man what color shirt matches your eyes.
There's nothing cheesy about your choices. If anything your army may be a little weak. Your troop choices are just fillers, which borders on wasted points. In fact, you'd be much better off using two tactical squads of chaos marines of one sort or another; or, going the full monty and taking 10 man squads in rhinos.
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I wouldn't call it a themed list but it's also not a cheeslist in any way.
Dunno man, I'll tell you I get called a cheeselist player for just my Librarian HQ.
Your not taking troops, hardly at all for maximization of elite/power units. Some could find cheese in there.
Also if your talking themed? The Elite troopers of any armed forces branch are not the ones that walk guard detail alongside the tanks.
Myself, I'd not find any problem with it as, it does have glaring weaknesses. Guy at our Hobby club played a list like what your talking for a lowere points tourney, pissed everyone off, so he came upa gainst an SM chap who'd decided plasma Cannons were his best friends. Turn 3 Victory for the Space Marine player. All I say this for is because, if someone feels they'd been screwed, they're gonna try to screw back, so all that's impoirtant is having alist your comfortable with and dealing with the blowback.
As I've said though, I'd never call it a cheesy list.
no way man, no cheese there.
i hate the whole "cheese" "power gamer" thing, its in the damn book, it has a damn poits chost, so its fair, if it wasnt fair it wouldent be in the book now would it? i think that cries of cheese and powergamer is the sign of a sore loser or bad competeter
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No way, 3 units of 10 Berzerkers(power fist w/ rhinos,) 3 Obliterators, 2 Preds would be cheese in my book, but now that I'm thinking it. . .
GOOD LORD PEOPLE!
If you pay the points, then its not cheese!!! Now in Apocalypse, having 6 Daemon Princes with Lash... Yeah.
I generally snicker under my breath when people start throwing the word "cheese" around.
However, one notable instance - I was playing in a magic: the gathering tournament once (yeah yeah, but it was way back in the mid-90s when I was still in high school and played Magic), and I beat some guy in his 30s - he threw some bitch-fit yelling about how I was some punk kid who got lucky and "cheesed" him out of a tournament win. And how he made an exact copy of some deck that won a huge national tournament, blah blah blah. Any ways, he never won a tournament around there as far as I know. I ignored him, but one of his friends said something like - "dude, you're a grown man and it's a ****ing game."
Ahh. How about instead of crying Cheese, we just figure out why we lost and how we can improve our playing to win the next time?