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Well, I'm refering to the 5 man box that GW now sells. I got one - don't ask why, I am not really sure myself - but I've been thinking about why GW would release such a product. Besides making money, that is.
What about this squad -
5 Chaos Space Marines - 75 pts
That it. It's cheap. It footslogs, it shoot things with bolters, it grabs objectives, it charges into close-combat, it's basically a cheap throw-away unit - not meant to fill up the 2 requisite troop choices on the FoC, but to support them.
Yeah, it's kind of a stretch. I wouldn't use 2 such squads in a list, just one (if you're going to go for 2, might as well make it 1 ten man squad with extra goodies). I wouldn't even give it a plasmagun.
Better than 2 spawn, and cheaper too.
Why would you not buy like 2 or 3 of them and run around instead of one? Put in a plasma gun and use them to support each other. They shoot bolters and plasma and then if one gets charged on your turn the other two pile in and beat them up with a champion thrown in somewhere to blow things up with a powerfist.
Using them alone and unsupported with no wargear is purposless. Everything should have something in mind aside from sit in cover, get outflanked, and die.
3 squads with 3 plasma guns and one with a power fist are only 310 pts. And is a very useful little task force to shove into cover somewhere.
Last edited by washout; March 18th, 2008 at 23:21.
Why wouldn't I bring 2 or 3 such squads? Because 2 is a 10 man squad, which is a lot more useful than 2 5 man squads. But if you have them footslog, maybe behind some rhinos, when the 10 man squad rushes in, gets bogged down in close-combat, here comes a second charging squad. It's not a basis for an army, it's not even a particularly useful approach, but if you're sitting there with a few extra points - it might be worth considering instead of say - an obliterator (for some lists).
I think that concentrating a lot of points of troops onto a smaller amount and overwhelming it with superior firepower and hand to hand ability is one of the best tactics, not only in 40k but in actual military application. A naked 5 man csm squad with no transport is hard to get into position and use. Spending the extra 75 points on another squad and giving it a heavy bolter and a powerfist champion is a lot more useful than having a squad hiding somewhere as an objective grabber.
Another point is using naked squads at all. It's something that I only mentioned in passing that a unit should have some kind of purpose. You could say that the 5 man squads purpose is to grab objectives but it's too fragile to do that.
I really can't see myself making a list with so few scoring units that I would need to shoehorn in a 5 man squad of naked CSM. In my mind thats not something a list should need. Even if you make a foot slogging list or whatever there are better things to spend points on, like adding more to existing units to protect champions or whatever.
I can think of a reason: Buy them a rhino. In fact, do this for all your 6 troop choices. Then do 3 more units just like it, call them havocs and for just below a thousand points you have 45 marines and 9 rolling coffins. (For the really hardcore version, do it with your chosen as well then you'll have 12 rolling coffins on the board!)
I could do it just to see the look on an opponents face.
(Is it possible to cram your HQ in a dedicated rhino?)
I have bought 3 of these packages, as i already have enough csm, but needed the standards and stuff for wysiwyg-conversions...
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Do the 5-man box come with banners and meltaguns? I thought it was just 5 naked marines.
I am not 100% what came with it - since I keep all my bitz/sprues in one big box (half the fun of the game is digging through your bitz, if you ask me!) But I believe it came with 2 sprues (or one big one broken in half) - with just bolters, bolt pistols, swords, arms, legs, torsos, heads and backpacks. Also, some bases and some of those stick on ensignia things.
You could always go on ebay or other websites and buy the old CSM squad boxes for dirt cheap and then use the 5-man box to fill out your CSM squads to make that new 10 man weapon requirement.
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