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    Hello everyone, I think we all can agree that mixed demon armies are stronger than mono god lists. So what can a man do that love theme and fluff but doesn't want just 4 different units in his army. So my solution is to take a mixed list but model the other demons in Slaneeshs likeness. Bloodletters would be represented by Beefy demonettes or Bondage guys, etc.
    What are you opinions on this? Is it cheesy? Dumb? Any opinion is welcome.


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    I say go for it. Its a good idea, and I think a lot of people are also considering the same thing.

    As for me, I think the farthest I'll go for "count as" is using a Hell Cannon as a Soul Grinder. Seeing as they're both daemonically possessed hunks of metal, I don't believe too many people will give me trouble with that.
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    i don't ever want to see counts as daemons it is not a good idea it is childish and whiny

    just to clarify over a broad scope it's not okay to use counts as models to cover your armies weaknesses !! at all ever period

    the choice between theme and power has always been a tough one as it should be if you want to go with power and break your theme so be it but don't mutilate perfectly good models in an attempt to deceive opponents into to thinking you chose the latter

    just for it it's actually more fluffy to include daemons from multiple gods rather than one anyway if you read the book
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    I think it could lead to some interesting conversion possiblities. Keep in mind the better your conversions are, the less likely people will complain about it.

    To Plague_00, although I can sympathize with your stance, I find your all or nothing stance lacking credibility. If Duront likes the fluff, but not the game mechanics then that's his call. I am a fluff oriented person myself, and am quite willing to lose a few more games because of it, but I will not tell other people to treat the game as I do. Everyone has their own philosophy. It does not make them childish or whiny.
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    I think general consensus is that if you put in the time and effort into something that looks decent and represents the models well, it should fly. I think the challenging part would be actually finding models that worked well.

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    I agree that if you want to use "counts as" the modle should be approriately converted to represent whatever its counting as. That said, I think there should be more conversions among demons, seeing as I dont think GW intended their line of minis to exclusively represent mankind's emotional resonance in the warp, so having large, buff, gimp-like "bloodletters" of Slaanesh would make perfect sense. If i had half the modeling/sculping ability I wish i did, my armies would be alot more visually unique. /lament

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    Having been involved with the game for a long time, I still feel that Khorne Daemons just do not fit in a Slannesh army, and vice versa (same goes with the Tzeentch-Nurgle feud). With that being said, however, it wouldn't be too out of place to have daemons of opposing allegiances fighting alongside each other. There have been cases where the Four have put aside their mutual hatred to fight together. Abaddon's crusades are a perfect example of this.

    I feel that it would be cool to see daemons converted to fit with a different god, but if you are unable to make a certain daemon "fit in", I wouldn't worry about it if I were you, fluffwise.
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    You could also just use the models available and use your paint scheme to unit your armies look. If your looking to blend the fluff that could be a little more difficult.
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    I think itss a pretty good idea overall. It might be a little easier to convert if you start with a the basic unit and convert it towards your overall theme. Example being starting with a bloodletter and giving it a whip-ish-arm-thing or Slaanesh appropriate clothing. I think Tzeentch and nurgle might be a bit more difficult to give the likeness of Slaanesh, but its completely possible, and very interesting.
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    Ahhh Im glad someone started this thread because as I go through what I like/dislike in the chaos daemon list, Iv decided to go for an all Khorne theme, but with three gods units... I cant see a problem with "counts as" as long as there is nothing else in the army it can be confused with

    For example instead of seekers of slaanesh, Im going to be making seekers of Khorne. Using bloodletters mounted on flesh hounds. I wont be using flesh hounds (the unit) in the army so there wont be any confusion.

    Flamers is another unit I will be including, using the plastic bloodletter combined with either plasma weapons or tyranid deathspitters (I havent decided if I want an organic looking army or a more tech/soulgrinder/obliterater style army)

    Of course all units will have a healthy dose of greenstuff (cause if it cant be made with greenstuff. It CANT be made)..

    But out of all my usual (or unusual) opponents I cant see this ever becoming a problem being counts as units....
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