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I have been waiting for the Daemons for ever (well it feels like it) but now they have arrived and i have read the codex I am not sure how competitive they will be. They look really random with the deepstrike rules and with the not knowing which force you will start with. I have not played with them yet and want to ask you all what you think. I will still buy some just because they look so cool and I have half an army already from my old CSM army but without a lucky deepstrike do you really think they are a competitive army? Sure they will do well against some but in tournements? Fast eldar will run circles around them, guard have enough guns to waste them before they even move and orcs just outnumber them. Like i said i haven't actually played with them so any actual experiences would be appreciated.
Competitive no.... Fun definately.
However how I veiw the codex it is the anti-MEQ dex, I can see if doing wonders if all your playing against is marines. Tau and both flavours of Eldar will make you cry.
What once was courage has now cursed in the wars we've made.
We are the sinners, before our graves.
Thought so. But the changed deep strike rules for 5th edition (runnin) might help
The most competitive Daemons list is going to be one that will utilize all of the various aspects of the four Gods to come together as one; the units are very specialised. Fluffy lists take a huge blow, especially Slaaneshi lists which rely on Rending for their anti-tank, for 5th edition. However, the list itself does seem to be more focused on "for fun" than a more competitive nature; I don't think Daemon players will be unable to win, however.
I have to agree. I've been just flipping through the codex and am confused where to even begin making a good list. It all seems to random and fragile.
Only your strong offensive power with many units and its randomness is what will make fun and hectic games.
I play for fun and like them but I can see what your saying. In my opinion though I would rather use my daemons competitively than my Space Marines.
has anyone played a tourney with them yet?
I'm inclined to agree with Lost Nemesis in the sense that Daemons aren't going to be competitive without including a mix of all 4 gods. Each god is so specialized in what they do that it's not possible to field a list that's going to do well in a tournament without them.
That being said, you do have some min/max tricks that can certainly carry you far. Daemonzilla seems to be the first choice, but I'm sure folks will think of others.
Personally, what I feel keep Daemons out of the loop is that our whole army has to deep strike. There are ways around this, but if the dice gods decide to be cruel, Daemons are especially sensitive to bad rolls.
Daemon lists are also more about you exploiting your opponents mistakes. With my IG, terrain and set-up are everything. Most of my battles are won or lost before the first shot, though first turn is a biggie. It's all about min/maxing the list as well to have the most lasguns/heavy weapons on the field, etc. With Daemons, its' the exact opposite, you don't deploy a thing, and to some extent, may want to even go second. You have to look at holes in your opponent's formation and exploit them. Your list isn't so much about what you choose (to a certain extent), but applying pressure with what you have to your opponent's weak spots. That is where I think Daemons are going to be competitive. We don't have the most balanced units, but we always the tactical advantage of forcing our opponent to deploy first.