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I love skaven, though dislike fantasy in general. I brought this idea up awhile ago as far as using skaven as plaguebearers. The more I thought about it an entire nurgle army done with skaven would be feasible.
Daemon princes/greater demons/Rat ogres
For my purpose it would allow me to use skaven in 40k, but I also thought it would be a good idea for people who play both fantasy and 40k. It would give you 3 armies. Gives you a 40k army/fantasy demon army or a lustria skaven army. I think with some nice conversions the skaven would make great demons of nurgle. I have seen a few conversions with the similiar idea but have yet to see anyone do a full army. If anyone has some links to or pictures of this please let me know.
Your biggest problem would be base sizes. Skaven come on 20mm square, daemons typically go on 25mm squad, then all the stuff like Beasts, Palanquins, Nurglings, etc go on even bigger bases.
Just make sure your opponent is ok with it and you'll be fine
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I like your idea! I myself use Lizardmen to mostly proxy Khorne daemons, and it works well. I don't know if the Plaguemonks models changed much from when I played them in Fantasy 15 years ago, but I would think they're still a bit smaller in height than the real Plaguebearers are, so you won't have the Exact same TLOS measurements, but I don't believe it's a big issue...
I was curious about that Nurglitch character to represent Epidemius, and looking at it, it does seems perfect for it, doesn't it? ;) Speaking of Heralds, does Plaguemonks have Champions? That'll be good, or else I guess you can just buy a normal Skaven Command, to get the musicians and Standard bearers :)
Some modifications I would make to your list would be to not take Giant Rats as Beasts of Nurgle... they're Really not big enough :P I know you'll get some along the Rat Ogres, so.. maybe just put one one every Rat Swarm bases. Also, Rat Ogres would make great Daemon Princes, but not good to use to proxy Great Unclaen Ones (mostly because of base size and model size). Unfortunatly, looking at the current Skaven line-up on the GW website, I see they don't have the Vermin Lord anymore... so yeah, what to do if you really want Beasts of Nurgle or Greater Daemons? I don't know.... maybe it would be better to buy the real model for these. For example, I use Kroxigors to represent Khorne Daemon Princes, but I wouldn't dream of using them as Bloodthirsters :P
Anyway, as long as your opponent agrees with all the proxy, I see no problem (and buying 20 plastic Plaguemonks are way cheaper than buying 20 metal Plaguebearers, right? ;) ).
I think the Skaven would convert very nicely too. Green gloopy, pus ridden Skaven, with fat bellies, on round bases.... yeh that works!
Yeh, I planned on using an actual great unclean one if i ever did. Or just greenstuff some more "nurgleness". I own 10 actual plaguebearers so if they are not in fact of the actual size I can modify them, though the plaguebearers one of the only troop choices not remade they are one of the smallest of the demons. The bases would all in fact need to be replaced so that wont be an issue i will base them on the corisponding 40k bases for what they represent. I have just been tryin to come up with a way to use skaven in 40k. Someone I know did a nurgle space marine army awhile back and just head swapped skaven heads for his marines. It was alright but as soon as I seen the new codex I had a feeling this would be the best army to run them. Also I might need to clearify I wont be using the models as they are completely but just a basis for converting equivelent models. Thaks for the fast feedback.
This is what I am looking at now:
Great Unclean One- Vermin Lord(if one may be found)
Beasts of Nurgle- 2 giant rats per base greenstuff work
Demon Prince- Rat ogre
It looks like for my 2000 points will cost about $250.
Last edited by Tyrius; July 26th, 2008 at 10:14.
Skaven fluff is great... but most of their models are pretty poor.
The problem is, you'd end up with a force which looked not entirely like Dark Eldar at the moment - really ugly and out of place.
I dunno... something about talking animals really irks me.
If you could make them part of the 41 millenium, and really jazz them up, then it could work... otherwise it's just mickey mouse in space.
That would be true for most other armies (taking Fantasy Orcs for 40k Orks, Dark Elves for Dark Eldars etc, Empire soldiers for IG soldiers etc), but we're talking about a 40k Daemon army here... honestly, they are just the same than in Fantasy anyway and they don't carry around futuristic guns or armor or stuff like that... They just appear from the Warp.
That they don't look like actual everyday Nurgle daemons can be explained that they come from... the domain of a Nurgle-worshipping Daemon Princes that shaped the area around him to his will and taste that just so happen to be a bit more rat-themed, but still firmly in or near or atached to the main Nurgle territory (I'm no fluff expert, but there's plenty in the Chaos Daemons Codex to suggest that some Daemon Princes can have their own domains in the Wastes). Disease-ridden daemon-rats doesn't seem so far-fetched an idea for Nurgle daemons anyway ;) And god-specific daemons has been known to change appearances, somewhat, over time (Daemonettes have like 5-6 different models ranges, Horrors of Tzeentch have changed a lot too recently... Bloodletters were a bit different when they were actually representing Blood Letters ( of the alphabet kind :P ), and... well, ok, Plaguebearers didn't change that much over time as far as I remember, but still ;)
But Karmoon, if you don't want to play against a proxy army, it's entirely your right to refuse such a game, after all.
Last edited by Lode; July 29th, 2008 at 12:39.
Far from it - you know my policy on creativityOriginally Posted by Lode
I have no problem with a proxy army at all. I just think that he should strongly consider what he starts with.
It would be a shame to put so much effort into an army only to have it look average at best. I appreciate that beauty is in the eye of the beholder though
As far as a friendly game you could deny playing, I guess. This army would be completely legal for any tournament. I plan to use the bases and if the models are smaller then what they represent I will make sure to adjust them somehow. I would have to agree with Lode as the same models for demons are used in fantasy and 40k i dont see how skaven be any more out of place. Especially as the models I am representing are the ones that were not remade for the new codex. If they had done to plaguebearers what they did for bloodletters and daemonettes I would even be inclined to buy them and swap out some parts for skaven but they are just 1 piece.
Well, I salute creativity in all forms, so good luck to you - and be sure to start a project thread to keep everyone updated.
I've heard that they *may* be releasing plastic plague bearers/horros, but don't hold your breath.
In the mean time, I always advise people doing nurgle stuff to try and mess around with soldering irons. Naturally, make sure to take care, but the melted, bubbled look can be disgusting - perfect for Nurgle.