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Welll using to lashes with 2 princes is called noobish, hated, competitive.
It serves me well taking vicitms and placing in front of the berserkers etc.
Now what about Skimmers they get out of their hole shoot then go back in, what about howling banshees they always strike first in CC with pw, the eldar jetbike, they assault you from nowhere, the grinder deathwing jump infnatry, or just the firewarriors firing from 36'' with S5 or the mighty wraithlord at 75pts or maybe the ressuraction of the necron warriors, may I say about the Nidzilas or ther nidswarms??? hm...
Because i went to local stores to play and everyone refused to play with me (!) cause of my list! those guys there take it seriously they wont play for fun, they ll play to win you, I havent play 40k with them but in fantasy even though i was a begginer they tried to crush me. Or even if we played for fun then what they should not use skimmers huh?
What do you think?
P.S. I dont complain i just ask how to deal those ppl...
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Perhaps they think that you with your 2 lash princes only play to win and not for fun or maybe they dont think they can win so whats the point.
I think your just unlucky and local player in your area consider the twin lash princes OTT.
If you really wanna play there why not just drop a prince and take something else?
Right, first off im not going to comment on anything mildly related to chedder. Im sick to death of hearing those arguments!
You want advice on how to deal with elitist players? Ive got a couple of methods learned from playing against exactly those sort of people in my local GW.
1.Play them at their own game would be my advice. Im not allowed my 2 Lash princes? Fine, Drop your <insert power unit here> from your list.
2.If your confident you can win, allow them an extra 100 points or so.
And finally, the most important one of all
3.Dont game there. Seriously, these types of people stick together and anyone not in their selective little group will never be accepted, never be treated fairly and will never win in any argument. They are the types that give this hobby a bad name and should be avoided at all costs. Find yourself a gaming club and join up. If you cant find one, get a few of your mates to play and start your own club.
Most importantly, dont let them get to you and ruin your enjoyment of the hobby.
lol... i say if it's in the rules then do it. It'll just be all the more gratifying. Do what you want according to the rules of the game. If they have a problem with the rules, then they're the ones who shouldn't be playing, not you.
Oh the pain!I know these type of people, good thing there are only few of them in my gaming club (and thank god, It's the only club in my country).Playng for the win is so booring, not only do i get power playng in my face i get dissed that i can't win.I don't care, i just play for fun, that's why nobody see's a lash in my list (rarely you can, but not even in the tournaments).Ande one funny thing: when my usual oponents sees abaddon ds'ing on the table, they suddenly go:"HEY!!!!THAT BI**H IS POWER PLAY!".Well what am I suposed to do when there is 15 destroyers shooting the grenades out of me?So yah, I don't like people playng ftw.
I understand your pain, but still I feel you could be a little more original than 2 Lash Prince. I've played an army with two models that could use lash of torment and my game was boringly repetitive. You Lash, then you template or assault. It's like playing IG with 3 Leman Russ, it's too easy and not original at all.
Now, when I play my Emperor's Children, I only use 1 lash prince. That's more than enough to deal with the annoying stuff and it doesn't make the game boring. But you might disagree with me since I'm the kind of guy who use possessed marines and chaos dreadnough in tournament (and still manage to win its share of glory). Heck, I've even played a tournament using a single nurgle sorcerer with nurgle rot as my only HQ.
Last edited by MindRaked; August 20th, 2008 at 15:13.
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You're always going to find some people have issues with certain units or combinations, and it does seem like the majority of the time this isn't justified.
That said the Lash Prince is a shockingly effective unit, more so in my opinion than the vast majority of other units out there that are called 'cheesy' by some players.
I have literally never turned down a game in the fourteen years I've been playing, and if someone brought two lash Princes to a pick up game I'd play it. How ever if I was playing that player again I'd ask him not to take that combination before agreeing to the game.
The reason for this is that if the opponent is even remotely good there is nothing I can do to win that game. Lash is so incredible because it can be used in three ways:
1/ Offencesively: To move units out of cover, into charge range etc.
2/ Defencesively: To position units so they can't charge or shoot etc.
3/ Strategically: To stop your opponent hiding damaged units in KP games, to move enemies off objectives etc.
What this effectively means is that even if the Lash player makes mistakes he has an ability so flexible it will practically always be able to recover, and even go back on the attack.
On top of it's general effectiveness, the way it works is also makes it incredibly annoying to play against. Even if I somehow manage to get into position to deal with a double Lash list I'll just get messed about as soon as my turn ends.
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Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're using a cheesy list or that you should change. I am trying to give an example of why even someone who is quite easygoing about what they will play against might not want to play a two Lash list often.
There's definitely two very different mindsets of players: those who enjoy competitive gaming and those who prefer more relaxed games. Both are completely valid ways to play, and the two types can get along great when they're not playing each other. Many times they can even play each other without any problems, as long as both realize that their way is not the only way. Problems can occur, though, when one (or especially if both) believe that their way is the way it *should* be. Of course, that makes said person completely wrong, as there is no "right" way to play 40k.
Each group can be just as much at fault as the other when these conflicts happen. It's just as wrong for a more relaxed gamer to be rude to a competitive player for "playing a cheesy army" as it is for a competitive player to laugh while stomping all over someone who isn't. Just because you may not be a competitive gamer doesn't mean that everyone else should play your way. And just because you *are* a competitive gamer doesn't mean that your mindset is the only one and everyone should 'cheese' it up to give challenging games.
In the end, everyone needs to take a look at not only why they play, but why others may be playing and keep that in mind. The hobby isn't big enough for people to be d-bags to others because of their style. If you're a relaxed gamer and you're opponent is a competitive player, realize you might be about to get smoked and just let it roll off you - maybe try just to obtain a specific goal (such as killing his two lash princes). If you're a competitive player, and your opponent has a very weak list, maybe tone it down a bit - do you really need to wipe them to a man?
I'll use myself as an example - I definitely fall in the "competitive player" category. In tournaments, I'll bring the very best list I can make and see how I fare against the best others can bring. I like the challenging games, the extra strategy you have to use when facing the best of the best. It's very enjoyable for me. When I'm at my local gaming store, though, I'll tone it down some when I'm playing someone who is new or just prefers more relaxed games. I'll change my slaaneshi lash princes into unmarked warp time princes and the like... unless they're jerks, then I'll stomp 'em. :p
If a unit is so great that you feel the need to take a second one over anything else you could take, then it's probably overpowered.
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