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Soul Grinder with Tongue
Demon Prince with MoT, Bolt, Gaze
I don't generally do polls, but I'm caught in a fit of indecision.
My question is, for a mainly (or even mono) Tzeentch army, what is best for the heavy slots?
Soul Grinder (Tongue)
Demon Prince, Mark of Tzeentch, Bolt and Gaze
They come out to exactly the same points and each have their benefits.
SG is huge, fleets, AV13 and hits harder
DP is easier to deepstrike, has better WS and better BS.
Last edited by RecklessFable; February 6th, 2009 at 02:39. Reason: spelng
Personally I would go with the DP. That is because I tend to stay away from armor in all my lists though. I just don't like the thought of one shot taking down my big nasty. With everyone having Eternal Warrior the DP will take some effort to bring down.
It depends on your army.
Grinders are all about stomping infantry and being tough on their own. DPs work much better with other MCs to draw fire, Fateweaver, and are for blasting tanks.
Grinders can get blasted by meltas while DPs fold to medium S high RoF weaponry like Lootas and Heavy Bolters.
I'd probably pick Grinders unless I needed anti-tank or had Fateweaver going. Also, Tongue sucks, phlegm or nothing. A Grinder is better off chasing a vehicle and hitting it than trying to use Tongue.
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Hardcore Mono-T player here.
I hate Tzeentch DPs. I really do. I've never had them work out for me - they're just too big of a target, and unlike Soul Grinders, every gun on the field can actually hurt them. The improved invuln is nice, but it just can't keep the DP alive by itself. And by the time you spend the points on them to make them both survivable and useful, you're pushing near 200, if not more points into a 4 wound model with medicore toughness and saves. Plus, you can't do the multi-targeting other Tzeentch MCs can do.
Here's what it comes down to for me:
If you're using one or more Giant Chicken(s), be it Fateweaver, or an LoC, they do the job of a Tzeentch DP faster, cheaper (efficiency v. points), and better. If you're running 2-4 Heralds as your HQ, then you need the melee punching abilities of the DP - give him MoT, Strength, armor, bolt and/or gaze, and send him in hitting.
I vastly prefer Soulgrinders though. They're stronger, generally faster for the points, and the Phlegm shot is just fantastic anti-infantry. Tongue is a worthless upgrade, stay away from that - the BS on the Grinder is too low. If you're looking at seriously using the Tongue, just fleet to punch instead.
I vouch for the fleeting to the punch! I just finished up a game in which I did just that and ate a Hammerhead! Very satisfying.
I field a single grinder in my list and aside from the first game (where he died first turn to a team of broadsides) he has earned his points back for me. Personally, I say run two princes (equiped the way smann suggests) and a grinder.
Difficult choice, let's see....
DP: Can't be 1-shotted, has 4+ invul, Can fly (assuming you gave it that), is killer in combat and shooting.
SG: Can be one-shotted, At AV13/13/11 not likely to be hurt, can only fire 2 weapons a turn, killer at shooting, sometimes good at combating infantry and some tanks, can fleet, large enough to block LOS to your troops.
Lucky we have 3 H-S slots. I think SGs in objective battles, DP in anhililation.
Edit: no wings? Soul Grinder straight up!!!
Last edited by Captain Jesus; February 6th, 2009 at 09:33.
It seems that you're asking for anti-vehicle support. I'd say, for the points, Soul Grinder (unless you're doing Fateweaver).
I like MoT DPs get Gaze and Breath, personally.
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You know, there is some irony here taht the bulk of the posts say SG but the poll says DP...
You do the math.
Edit: Yeah i read it wrong again, it just has tongue, but still what about it's other benefits?
Last edited by Captain Jesus; February 9th, 2009 at 10:28.