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Me and my friend recently started playing Warhammer 40k and theres a few things i'm unclear about with my Daemon Army.
For starters, the Codex has 15 different HQs... Games Workshop sells 7.
Now, I noticed that the Greater Daemon of Tzeench states that it comes with "Four ways to build it" does that mean one of the ways to build it would be Fateweaver? Or are Ku'Gath, Skarbrand and Fateweaver their own figurines that are just not sold anymore? As for the Heralds, pretty much the same question.
As far as the rest of it's concerned just general suggestions for play. Right now i've got:
1 The Masque
1 Beast of Nurgle
5 Flesh Hounds
1 Soul Grind
I'm already planning on buying a Lord of Change (i'd prefer fateweaver but considering i can't find an independant character i'm assuming that he's just an alternate build of the LoC at this point)
I tend to not play the Beast or Epidemius (that way when me and my friend play a 1,000 point game i'm just under it with options and everything) Though i'd also like to get 6 flamers and 10 Horrors just to round things out.
Ideas? Advice? All welcome.
The named greater demons have no models, Though a few conversions to the greater demon models available will do. Use the extra head from the LoC to make fateweaver. Don't add wings to Bloodthirst you get skarbrand. Heralds can be made using the "champion" heads from the sprue. They are just upgraded daemons of the specific god. As for the horrors plaguebearer heralds you can just paint them different color or use epidemius as a normal herald. Same for masque if you wanted.
The spearhead is a very bad start for daemons, well good for GW that you bought it and bad for you that you will get next to uselessness with the rag tag team they put together. Though there is a list available to use up all the spearhead: (Courtesy of Stelek)
Mixed Army: Chaos Undivided
A true believers army, if such a thing is possible.
Mostly this army is for those folks who bought the point release box and have a very Undivided army style.
2000 Pts - Chaos Daemons Roster - Chaos Undivided
1 Epidemius @ 110 Pts
1 The Blue Scribes @ 130 Pts
1 The Masque @ 100 Pts
1 Skulltaker @ 140 Pts
4 Flamers of Tzeentch @ 170 Pts
4 Beasts of Nurgle @ 150 Pts
4 Bloodcrushers of Khorne @ 160 Pts
8 Bloodletters of Khorne @ 128 Pts
8 Daemonettes of Slaanesh @ 112 Pts
6 Pink Horrors of Tzeentch @ 112 Pts
Bolt of Tzeentch
7 Plaguebearers of Nurgle @ 105 Pts
7 Nurglings @ 91 Pts
6 Seekers of Slaanesh @ 102 Pts
8 Furies of Chaos @ 120 Pts
1 Soul Grinder of Chaos @ 135 Pts
1 Soul Grinder of Chaos @ 135 Pts
Total Roster Cost: 2000
What do you do with a crazy army like that?
Well, just hope your enemy wonders the same thing!
Here's how this army goes:
Epidemius goes with the Plaguebearers.
The Blue Scribes goes with the Pink Horrors.
Skulltaker goes with the Bloodletters.
Wave 1 Drop:
Beasts of Nurgle.
Flamers of Tzeentch.
Wave 2 Drop:
Daemonettes of Slaanesh.
You want to get a lot of nasties down on your first drop, and then ninja in faster or more dangerous but less survivable reinforcements as the game progresses.
Last edited by Tyrius; April 3rd, 2009 at 06:38.
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My 2500 ard boys list is better tyrius! =P No, there arn't models for a lot of the HQ models for daemons. You have to convert your own heralds, or like for my fantasy daemons I just bought 4 masques and the one that isn't in a unit, not to mention on a custom resin base, is the actual masque. Skarbrand and fateweaver are easy conversions to do with the BT and LoC boxes. The LoC box comes with two heads so just a crap ton of greenstuff and behold a two headed LoC. For Ku'gath...just use scabeithrax, mines in the showcase section under chaos daemons.
I'd like to be more help but allergies just kicked up, and I cant read the screen =(. Anyway tyrius, Mad cat, ==Me==, and myself are the big daemon guys round here, and we all have our own opinions on lists. Welcome to the party.
Well, good to know so i'm not searching endlessly for something that doesn't exist.
Another quick question: Any suggestion for paints/paint mixes for the units I have? I haven't gotten to painting them yet and there's just so many colors that GW produces.
Yep, Tyrius got the big stuff down. The named HQs are conversions and Heralds you can make out of normal Daemons with a fancy paint job.
The Speahead has a bit of everything, but nothing in significant quantities to be useful. Stelek's build is about as good as your going to get with it
I'd look into focusing your army into a more coherent style, emphasizing certain strengths and overcoming your weaknesses. I run a fast army with lots of heavy hitters, Fiends, Grinders, Greater Daemons are order of the day, but you could do a horde of lil' uns, Daemonzilla, a monogod force, and so on.
As for paints, that isn't ==My== department, so maybe someone competent can help you here
Check out ==My== blog: www.bnhblog.blogspot.com
When it comes to painting...I can tell you how I did MY daemons which might not help you neccissarily.
Khorne-red gore base coat, devlan mud wash, blood red dry brush for the skin. Horns bleached bone, devlan or badab wash. Metal bitz like icons and hilts of swords brazen brass/dwarf bronze (brazens better but you cant get it anymore). Actual sword, chaos black ard' coat layer over that and then skull white/codex grey highlights to make an onyx black sword. Also could iyanden dark sun, and layer up the yellow, orange chain until you get a nice birght flaming like sword.
slaanesh-warlock purple basecoat, baal red wash, Liche purple claws & hair, boltgun braziers, badab wash over those. (not great but 3 colors, I'm a lazy painter, my DP's and GD are nicer than this a lot more detail work there)
Nurgle-camo green basecoat, thraka mixed with devlan wash, red gore wounds&cuts, boltgun with tin bitz dry brush swords & banners. (once again simple 3 color paint job)
Also to the original post I custom sculpted my Ku'gath and have an entire nurgle army that are custom scuplts(outside of epidemius). My demon princes and ku'gath all have Carnifex heads demon princes have arms and weapons from the ogre kingdoms models. My plaguebearers have genestealer heads and skaven sword arms and zombie arms. The bodies are all sculpted to look like maggoty wormlike pusballs. The nurglings are just maggoty worms with no limbs which turned out to look like slimy slithery poops. The idea was that they are just evolved versions from nurgling-plaguebearer-demonprince-kugath.
Last edited by Tyrius; April 3rd, 2009 at 21:52.
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LMAO!!! I love it.
In regards to the top comment though I didn't mean anything by it. I'm not sayin' but I'm just sayin'. I see your point though, just using what you got.
Yes, I've seen your lists before and it was actually your past lists, and ==Me== who got me 3rd with my list in question.
There a couple people like that where I play but last ard boyz I went to was nothing but balanced lists, my CSM failed that day =(.
Last edited by Caluin; April 5th, 2009 at 19:16.
So i've never painted before >.> Can you explain?
I get the idea of a base coat, but what do you mean by wash? and Dry brush how so exactly?
Sorry for all the questions, like I said. I'm completely new to this.
 Nevermind, found the answers within the painting area.
Last edited by niarBaD; April 4th, 2009 at 07:26. Reason: Found answers
just look on games workshop website for tips about that sort of stuff its going to be alot better than anyhting we can give you, and if you're still non-plussed try looking at "how to paint citadel meiniatures " the book that goes through almost every technique you need to get strated, or alternatively go down to your local store and ask someone there to show you some tricks. (jesus im sounding like an issue of White Dwarf).
Couse you could just ask someone you know who could show you something. however ill give you a 'rough guide' to waht every technique is :
Hope that heklps a little bit
- Dry Brushing- this is simply getting a bit of paint on your brush and wiping most of it off so when you drag it over rasied edges it leaves a sort of highlight (useful for furs,chain mail etc)
- Washes - they are simply watering down paints (or using the citadel washes) and just painting them onto areas (or sometimes the whole model) to easily shade it.