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I've come back to WH40k after a break of 15 years & have decided to build a CSM army. I've bought some models - the battleforce & a few others and I'm about to start building them.
I find the codex a little confusing when it comes to icons & marks. I understand that the icon automatically gives all the unit members the corresponding mark and I understand what the different marks do. I also understand that the special (berzerkers, plague, etc) troops implicitly have their appropriate mark. But here is where I'm confused:
1. Do I need to model the mark on each figure, or is it something like a tattoo that could be hidden under armour? If I do model it, do I just need to paint the appropriate symbol somewhere (or is it just on the transfer sheet) and does it replace the chapter badge on the shoulder or go somewhere else? And do I still have to model the mark if someone in the unit is carrying an icon? What about my special troops - do I need to make sure all my plague marines have their mark, otherwise I can't use them as plague marines?
2. Does the icon have to be the symbol attached to the stick from the CSM sprue or can I use something else? For example can I just attach a flag with the appropriate symbol to the top of the marine's backpack (I have one of these from some SM devastators I got to make up some cheap CSM havocs and can probably make some more fairly easily from other bits). Using the standard bearer for regular CSM is OK, but if I want to give my terminator unit an icon (probably just the generic chaos icon) I can see the flag (possibly replacing the backpack spikes & skulls) being the best option.
3. Personal icons - how do I model these? Is this just any old small generic chaos-style symbol attached to the figure's backpack or do I need to use something specific? Or can I just say it's something like a holy symbol kept in pocket & not model it at all?
I'm not playing tournaments at the moment and probably won't for sometime, but I don't want to have to redo my figures to make them tournament legal in the future when I can get it right now.
Of course the next question is which icon to use. I'm thinking of using magnets for my CSM standard bearers so I can change the symbol - only one arm & pole but five symbols mean I'll somehow have to magnetise the pole.
Right, i didn't read your whole post, so you may know some of this, but this is how i understand and play it:
A Mark gives you a bonus (e.g Mark of Khorne +1 attack)
If a squad or character have that mark, they gain the bonus (Like Kharn, who has M.O.K, has his +1 attack in his profile)
Icon's give you a mark, one model has an icon (you are meant to have a model with the right icon really, but it doesn't matter if your playing Friendly)
Squads like the Bezerkers as far as I'm aware don't need to have a icon barer, and the whole squad has it.
Icons can be used for Deep Striking.
Personal icons do the same. (if a model like a Chaos Lord i think, just gets a Mark, you can give him a personal Icon, for deep striking accuracy)
If a Model is upgraded with a Mark and not an Icon (like a Daemon Prince) it can not be used for deep striking
Hope i have helped there, any other questions, i will try and answer them.
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I just read your post all the way through. and will answer again:
1. in a Squad of CSM, you are meant to have a Icon Barer type thing, in the squads that have the Mark, you don't need this. you can buy a Khorne or Slaneesh (and the others) from bits places on-line.
2. a flag type thing is fine i think, as long as it has the icon intended painted on i suppose, if your just playing friendly games, it probably does not matter much at all
3. Personal icons, i have no idea, but Like Kharn has a personal icon, and as far as i can tell, there is not anything on the model (haven't looked at too much detail) that portrays a Personal icon, so i guess that is up to you on what you do.
1) For squads marks are either granetd based on an icon (more on that later) or because the squad comes with the mark be default (such as Plague Marines). In the first case, the icon confers the mark and so no modelling besides the icon is required, while in the latter case the mark is no an optional upgrade and so does not need to be modeled (though it should be clear through modeling that the unit is not just regular CSMs). For individual models (Daemon Princes, Lords, etc.) given a mark they should be modeled in some way to show their allegiance to a specific chaos god, but there are no strict guidelines on how that should be done or what a 'mark' should look like. That said, for friendly games you could probably just get away with telling your opponent what mark your HQ choice has.
2/3) The current CSM box has the large icon poles for Icons and little back pack chaos stars for personal icons. However, the previous box did not have these bits and anything of that sort should do (so your back pack banner should be fine, as long as you put something chaosy on the banner part). Generally personal icons are smaller then unit icons though. As long as the model stands out with some sort of icon/banner/standard/etc. it should be fine.
Hope that helps.
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Thanks. Makes a lot more sense now.
you do need one model with the icon modeled. this is because when the icon dies, the unit looses the effect of it.
EG you have 10 marines with the icon of Nurgle, when your allocating wounds and the one on the guy with the icon dies, your guys no longer have T5.
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