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hi, I am just wondering about the summoned daemons. Are they good or not realy?
Is the greater daemon useful?
And what are Your thoughts on Lesser daemons?
(I want to scratchbuild a sandworm as a greater daemon and few fedaykins from catachans - they will be completly covered with GS - as lesser daemons), so I would read Your opinions before I`ll spend a week or two with them.
From my personally stand point, I don't think they are worth the effort. In the last book we at least got specific daemons, which was FUN, but in the current one, any daemon is and daemon. The rules/stats for them combined with the point cost... Not my deal. I have seen people use them, and even with some success. But I still cannot bring myself to use them.
In an Apoc. game I do enjoy using the Daemon book as an allie. As my Khornate marines have no rist of haveing Daemonettes next to them, unless I make some crucial mistake.
Maybe in larger games, they could have 2 semi-valid qualities:
1. You're out of Marine models, and they're a Troop choice.
2. Opponents may underestimate the CC potential of an Icon Unit.Again, only in the largest of matches.Is the greater daemon useful?
Ummm ... Doesn't take up an FOC slot?
Overcosted. His base points reflect only a part of his expense.
Gavved. Half the models have Wings, an option inexplicably unavailable to GGDs.I take it you're going for some sort of Dune theme?I want to scratchbuild a sandworm as a greater daemon and few fedaykins from catachans - they will be completly covered with GS - as lesser daemons), so I would read Your opinions
How would you feel about Worms erupting out of Champions instead of sand? Cuz that's what GGDs do ...
Your Fedaychans would likewise just seem to appear out of nowhere - probably not how it's done in the books.
(I barely managed to finish the first book as an exercise in character-building, and the film is still incomprehensible.)
Thematically, the Worm would be better as a Daemon Prince model.
He'd start on the board, with no inconvenient hocus-pocus involved.
Whateverkin could form your Chosen, for which there are no Citadel models.
I think they are great. The big advantage is that they can appear anywhere on the battlefield (within range of an icon) and support a unit with the enemy forces being able to target them.
In armies using a lot of cult troops they can bulk up the army nicely whilst still maintaining a theme.
The invulnerable save makes them better against certain units (powerweapon, rending etc) than marines.
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First of all thanks for the help! The daemon prince is a good idea! Sounds far better unit, I just don`t know how the enemy would react for a worm as DP...
Yes, Dune theme, but everything is deleted that can not fit. Like no great houses, spice etc. I would say arabic theme, inspired by the Dune (names, worms, lifestyle, clothing etc.) They call the (false) Emperor as Padishah. Also I have a backup story: Leper Legion, a nurgle worshipper army, so they can be more official. They can look like leper marines with the rebreather and extra headscarf. The worm could be : maggot of nurgle.
I was thinking of this summoning thing before I asked. I thought to make a Worm as a DP is more unbeleivable then a Chapion who calls the worm and hoops ends up eaten I thought it won`t be a very serious thing that I will simply remove it.
The feadykins can work fluffwise like the mandrakes. They will turn up somewhere in the table. In many movies You can see the guys jump out from the sand. (in the book they are religious fanatics and the bodyguards of Paul Atreides, so they can not come out of nowhere, I think)
I would not use them in tournaments.
But I will rethink the idea after these comments anyway.
You have heard some good advice here.
I took a unit of 18 lesser daemons and a greater daemon to the ToS GT last year. The GD was ok, but died in every game. The LDs were amazing. Get those guys in cover on an objective and they will really upset your opponent!
They are cheaper than your standard CSMs and offer an interesting modelling option as you can do whatever you want with them, as, indeed, it appears you plan to do.
I love 'em, but that's because they have worked for me...
That was my thought but I wanted to know as many opinion as possible. I was thinking about pw, rending weapons where my marines just give up easily. So, I guess they are working fine for a tailored army, like LD`s againts genestealers, banshees, but maybe not againts DE.
I like to tailor, to make different lists every time (kind of fun for me).
My other problem was that sometimes I would like an other unit to appear and help out.
I was concerned about the GD as it looks to me that can be shoot up relatively easily. It seems my concerns were right
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Yes, I would take them, especially the GD for help the theme, without the worm, they are simply arabic marines, the worm makes them fremens
Thanks for the advice!
Dune rocks. Great idea for an army there, although a huge worm would not fit on a DP base...
And i never understand it when folk say they didn't understand what was going on in the movie. Were they half asleep? Or maybe they only saw some of the movie.. or perhaps they were expecting star wars or something lol. I'm looking at you Playa...
Anyways i can see a fremen or feydakin army working. You could use pretty much any army you want to represent them. But the sandworm really complicates things IMO. I say leave it out..
However i am interested on how you are planning to model this army (both the fremen and the worm).
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I have loyal marines, basicaly -as I am not the best sculptor - I will put ghutra (headscarf, headwear), rebreather connected to the sidebag, (i have to drill holes) and other tubes, make a few circles. Extra filter on the backpack (valve), and I have no more ideas
I do not like how they looked in the Lynch movie, and I also the fun of the book, and as they are sort of arabic speakers, arabic theme.
The fedaykins, will have ghutra, rebreather, tubes and robe (kaftan), and (kris)knifes. I`ll make them from catachans.
The worm will be (that is the plan) won`t be a long thing, As I imagined it will be placed on a dreadnought base (or bigger if there any), coming up from the sand, so it will be taller then longer, like this ¬ of course not in this angle, and I plan to put a fedaykin raider on it standing up.
That is the plan, I am at fremen MK III prototype, it can get the looking, but still not ok.
So I am opened for any idea, if You have one. How would You model stilsuit rather then tubes and rebreather? An extra water-container?
I am getting to sneak out from csm to modelling
One thing that seems to have been overlooked (forgive me if it has been pointed out) is that the generic lesser daemons of the chaos space marines are one of the only units in the game that can deepstrike and assault in the same turn! Thats HUGE! stats of a space marine with less armour for cheaper. I'll tell ya, i've played against a pure death guard and he beefs himself out with two units of 10 lessers and a GD just to fill out his list a little more, i cannot count the number of times those lessers have caused me a lot of hell. I'd say they are worth it because they offer a cheap alternative in an otherwise expensive book.
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