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Keeper of Secrets
Which is better value? Once you add unholy might and sopoforic musk they are almost the same points
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Well they both have strengths. The Bloodthirster is a flying beast in CC. The KoS is a fleeting beast in CC that is cheaper and has access to utility which puts it up to the cost of the Bloodthirster. Neither is better then the other in certain instances. Bloodthirster is more likely to take down a Landraider in CC, and the KoS with its super high Init. is likely to put the hurt on most CC units in the game.
I voted KoS for utility.
Real tough call here...
Keeper of secrets has that really nice high initiative, but more often or not I feel that will be overkill most of the time and a bloodthirster's initiative on the charge will meet most things. Keeper of secrets has a slightly lower strength but more attacks, while the bloodthirster has higher strength and Iron Hide as well as an upgrade vs Psykers.
Voting for bloodthirster based on speed and durability.
Tried both, and hands down the thirster is better. He has wings, and s8 which instant kills nobz, charackters and the like. Those two tings leave the keeper a few miles behinds.
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They're both good.
I think I prefer the Keeper for I10 and grenades and Hit and Run. Always goes first, and can bounce across the board after combats.
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Most are forgeting the abilities the keeper can get to make her points up to the bloodthirster.
If you have soulgrinders then she can pavane.
She can hit and run
She has grenades
Bloodthirsters stat line may be higher then hers in some parts but he can get bogged down in combats he may not want to be in or ones that end up going bad.
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I voted for the keeper of secrets. The initiative 10 is great against some of the nasty CC units out there and grenades make sure the keeper is going first, defensive grenades help out against nasty enemy CC as well. Keeper has more attacks i believe as well. The hit and run is a plus on a MC to avoid getting bogged down though the keeper has so many attacks it is pretty rare that she can't just fight her way out of a bog down anyway. Wings and strength are advantage BT but fleet helps mitigate a bit.
Didn't really forget, I just prefer having the strength, speed, and durability of a thister over the abilities of a Keeper.
Its just really personal preference.
I can speak on this with a bit of experiance, played with both (in a silly HQ vs mainly tanks game) and have played with Bloodthirster against Keeper, i'm not that keen on Daemons, because i have only ever used 1000pts, and i seem to be crap at saves (in last game i played, 1000pts with another Daemon player against Tau, 1000pts of Kroot !! Bloodthirster got in really close to the kroot, lost 3 wounds from shooting, and then assualted, he went first, and lost my last wound, sucked) I think in terms of Daemons Bloodthirster is better at basic cost, im not sure how expensive the Keeper can go, but he/she does need upgrades to be good, while BT doesn't.
i reckon they are fairly equal, i would just try and use the one that fits in more with army (i.e if your using Demonettes, use Kepper ect)
The Bloodthirster is alright, but for about 3/4 the price, a Daemon Prince w/mark of nurgle, wings, noxious touch, and cloud of flies does about as good of a job.
The Keeper of Secrets, on the other hand, has an incredible initiative, number of attacks, can hit and run (if you like), fleet, and chomp down on vehicles very very well. The Keeper of Secrets is simply a better bargain, all things considered.
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