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Thinking of starting a Word Bearers army using the Chaos Battle-force (£50 set) as a starter, and was wondering what additions people would suggest to build up the force.
Also, do people have any fluff regarding the organisation and set up of the Word Bearers? I was going to use mostly icons of Chaos Glory, with a few units like terminators and my Apostle having access to god specific marks and weapons - would this fit? I always presumed they'd worship Chaos as a whole and so could get benefits from any god.
Finally, do people use Chaos Land Raiders much? Are they worth it? Seems to me that not having the machine spirit hurts our LR's quite a bit, but daemonic possession does make them hard to kill, is it a worth while trade, or are LR's best left in loyalist forces and bigger games? (I normally play 1500 but 2000 now and then). Also is putting a tooled up unit of Terminators in the LR too many points in one unit? It seems deadly but is nearly a third of my points.
Am planning to make a Dark Apostle, who can represent any sorcerer or lord (MoS + lash, MoT + Warptime, MoS + daemon weapon) at will. Would many players object to this, and should leaders given god specific upgrades be modeled appropriately?
Many thanks and good gaming
I struggled with a lot of the same questions you have about the Land Raider. They seem made to carry terminators but I always hesitate at putting a ton of points in one place to allow my enemy to focus fire and score big. I think the key is giving him lots of other things to shoot at, or just deep strike them in.
I kinda found that other things do the LR job better as a fire platform, and I don't really need LR's to carry my troops so I haven't gotten one yet. They are definitely scary, durable, and ferocious, but I think the loyalists get better variants and upgrades and ours just don't make the cut. I'm sure someone will come on that says they swear by them, but I just don't see the points they cost being recouped in any usage.
As for word bearers information...Word Bearers - Lexicanum is your best bet for free information if you haven't already been here. If you want buyable information check out the Index Astartes but most of the information in there is in the lexicanum article. Big thing to note are the use of chaplains (obviously no longer a real rule, but you could buy a sm chaplain and convert him). It also has brief examples of force organization to use if you wish, but it does say that not all word bearers follow this.
With the big legions there are so many more marines/followers than their loyalist counterparts. However, a lot of these have broken off and become almost a subsect of the original. A lot of these subsects follow different rules/organization/etc compared to the main force so almost anything is possible if you back it up with fluff and follow the rules of the game.
For instance tzeentch is very similar in philosophy to the word bearers. They both use trickery, word-play, etc to gain the trust/loyalty of their followers and then use them like expendable pawns when needed. So you might find a sect of the word bearer terminators that were turned to tzeentch and thus get a better armor save or maybe some marines might have dedicated themselves to tzeentch and become the same stat-line as thousand son marines.
Last edited by paregoric_HAL; June 12th, 2009 at 15:04.
Word bearers are led by Dark Apostles, so a nice variant on this would be calling Aspiring Champions Aspiring Chaplains or Aspiring Apostles.
Apart from that little change, Word Bearers are highly fanatical worshippers, leading their own crusades against the imperium and converting planets to chaos and raising massive cathedrals on these now subjugated worlds.
And quoting from the link HAL ("it can only be attributable to human error. ") gave:So you can make your host how you want, perhaps even altering or replacing the "codex" army scheme of dark red and silver.This evil priesthood enforces a strict regime of worship of the Chaos pantheon upon their fellow Word Bearers and are also highly likely to be found leading the Legion in battle. Each is gifted an army of their own, known as a Host. The numbers vary, with the smallest typical size roughly analogous to that of a Space Marine Company, and the largest exceeding the manpower of a Space Marine Chapter.
The organizational make-up of each Host differs wildly as well, and can change depending on the whims of the Dark Apostle that leads it. Often they will suddenly alter the hierarchy of their Host for reasons known only to themselves. These changes often result in seemingly unwieldy or tactically inflexible formations. The Word Bearers themselves accept these changes without question.1
The largest known Host numbered over two thousand Chaos Marines at its peak. The size of this force required that the Dark Apostle be served by two chief lieutenants, his First Acolyte and a champion, entitled as the Coryphaus. Additionally, the Host possessed an Icon Bearer and an elite unit of over two hundred Terminators known as the Annointed.4
The most commonly occurring structure is that roughly equating to a Space Marine company, with the Host broken down into units of about twelve warriors. Each is commanded by a champion of the Word Bearers who strives to become as devout a war leader as the Dark Apostle in the hope of one day being chosen to succeed him on the occasion of his death.
I made a Dark Apostle out of a SM chaplain model, there are a lot of chaplains in the range, so you could perhaps give each squad it's own converted Chaplain as an Aspiring Champion.
Also don't forget to give a Dark Apostles his Accursed Crozius, a nice big chaos symbol in defiance of the Chaplain's Holy Crozius.
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Hmmm, thanks for the replies. I will prob now only play a LR in 2000 point games. Might add a squd of Termi's to the troops in the Battle-force and an Apostle converted out of the chaplain with bones on his armour.
One last question though. What tanks would people suggest, if any? I'm looking to put a Predator or 2 in at 1500 points (Las + Auto) but not sure whether they'll do much more than simply draw enemy fire and pop the occasional tank. Would having one Auto+Las and one Auto+HBolter serve better? I'm loathe to put in a defiler as i've used them in previous armies and though they're great i fancied a change (and the Predator is the best looking tank model GW has ever done, in my opinion).
Thanks for the very useful supplies
I changed my old assault list with a LASpred for anti tank to a landraider because it gave me one thing that the predator could just not deal with. assaults from bloody lictors and genestealers. if any mildly strong enemy got close to the predator it was dead in its tracks but the land raider was only blown up once in close combat and that was by an avatar.
It might be 70 or so more points than a predator for one less lascannon but 2 of them being twin-linked
PLUS assault tranporting of troops with an AV 14 vehicle
and av all the way around
= ZOMG KILL EVERYTHING!
but it depends on the composition of your army, i'm now trying a different tactic where I use only marines and daemons with a defiler for that awesome cannon.
was any of this useful? I had a large mug of coffee.
It's hard to make a Word Bearers list as their rules don't exist anymore. The best you can do is to use lots of Icons and some daemons. As for the Land Raider, it is definitely worthwhile. The assault ramp alone justifies the cost as it's a tremendous help to a CC-heavy army, and Daemonic Possession is better than machine spirit rules...it's one of the few vehicle upgrades in 40k that allows 'shaken' results to be ignored.
"My tanks have names, my men have numbers." -Col. Edmund Grahvess, 23rd Kronecker Prison Guard