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I'm interested in getting into Warhammer Fantasy. So I'd like my list, at least until it's "full size" to be able to play in both games.
Is this really viable? Fantasy has the same models availible for the most part. The big difference really is that I couldn't take a Soul Grinder. Another might be that I can't take many Elites choices (called Rare in Fantasy). Figure for a while I'll only be able to have one Elites choice, if I understand things correctly.
I'd also rather lean towards Tzeentch, if possible.
Tzeentch is one of the stronger groups in the fantasy setting from what I've seen, but you may want to supplement a mono-tzeentch list with a few others to help you deal with a wider variety of threats. I know that mono-Tzeentch is a strategy that has worked in 40k we have a few of those lists in the army list section if I'm not mistaken. How well it would work in fantasy would probably depend on both points level and what your using.
I would think it's entirely possible to create a mono-Tzeentch list that runs well in fantasy. Again there is probably an example of one bouncing around in the army list section of the CD fantasy forums. I would try looking around in both army list sections for some ideas, and then give a shot at posting your own. They are excellent places to start getting feedback on your lists.
I'd probably blend in one other power at least. Especially for fantasy.
The trick is more fitting within the limitations of both systems.
At the lower point totals I'd be starting out with that roughly means a list would have to be something like.
1 HQ (A herald almost certainly)
0-1 Fast Attack
NO HEAVY SUPPORT
Fill out the rest with troops
You'll probably end up having to get a few extra models per system, just for the sake of army list composition. A Soul Grinder or some Daemon Princes have some well-earned spots in most 40k Daemon lists, whereas in Fantasy they may not be used (or even in the army list, in the case of the Soul Grinder). The majority of your standard infantry should be good to roll with, but when it comes to the more special things, I'd recommend taking a look at common Daemon lists in both 40k and Fantasy army list subforums and seeing what does and doesn't go hand in hand.
Oh hey, I'd forgotten about princes. Princes are a lord choice for Fantasy and heavy for 40K right? Since you get more lord choices than HQ I could have them serving double duty even at low point totals.
From a wide view I'd actually like to leave out the grinder (despite how cool they look). Since I would think it'd tend to be a magnet for whatever special anti vehicle weaponry is on the table. But I'm not sure if I can kill their vehicles fast enough without one.
Last edited by sunnyside; July 5th, 2009 at 19:51.
No Lords until you hit 2k and then you only get 1. DPs aren't any good in Fantasy, but I'd still recommend them for 40k.
If you want a 2k Fantasy list, it'll look something like this in 40k
1 GD and/or 2-4 Heralds (max 4 characters)
0-2 Elites = Rare
All Troops = Core, except Nurglings are Special and furies are Core
Fast Attack = Special (you get up to 4)
I like a mix in both. Tzeentch Heralds in chariots rock face, Fiends are great in 40k and solid in Fantasy, Flamers are awesome in Fantasy and good in 40k, Plaguebearers are solid in both (needs a Herald for Fantasy), GDs are great, Bloodletters are nice, Horrors are nice, Daemonettes are tricky, Flesh Hounds rock in Fantasy but suck in 40k, Seekers and Screamers too.
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Same with Furies. They're great in fantasy, but you never want to suffer their existence in 40K.
Looking at the two lists, it seems like GW purposely made every unit minus the super expensive ones (GDs, Elites) that are good in one system such in the other.
In fantasy Daemons there aren't really any bad choices other than DPs. All the GDs are good, all the troops are decent to great, seekers and flesh hounds are awesome, all the rares are good (with the nurgle one being the worst I think)... yeah, from what I hear its really hard to screw up a fantasy Daemons army.
One thing that you probably want if you're going to do both is Flesh Hounds. They're broken in fantasy, and while they aren't great in 40K, they're decent. You can also just get boxes of dire wolves or chaos warhounds to use as them if you don't feel like dishing out massive cash for the super expensive ones. 10 makes a decent 40K unit size or 2 good sized fantasy units.
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