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What is the definition of a "cheesey" army? I've seen too many people throw the term around at random things, some say I've played cheesey for running a single lash prince with oblits or defilers. I've seen others be called cheesey for running a termie squad in a land raider or running too many tanks. What is everyone's opinion of a cheesey chaos list?
My best definition is an army list that can't reasonably be defeated without tailoring your own list. That leaves a lot of wiggle room but it's probably as good as you'll get.What is the definition of a "cheesey" army?Presenting Intrepid's Chaos Marine Cheese-O-Meter:What is everyone's opinion of a cheesey chaos list?
-1 No Lashes, use of a daemon weapon other than Undivided.
0 No Lashes of Submission
1 One Lash of Submission (or 6-9 Obliterators)
2 Two Lashes of Submission
3 Two Lashes plus multiple Defilers, Vindicators and/or Obliterators
You can play a 1 against me and get away with it but I won't ever play a 3. Outside of the Lash it's pretty hard to annoy me on the tabletop with a Chaos army.
"My tanks have names, my men have numbers." -Col. Edmund Grahvess, 23rd Kronecker Prison Guard
Well, a forum search could get you some really wonderful threads on the subjects, as everyone has their own opinions. And those who use cheesy stuff, will argue that all is fair or that there's no such thing etc. against the people who don't like cheese.
In my opinion, and that's all I'm offering -
Large numbers of Obliterators (more than three)
One Lash isn't terrible (fine if in a Slaneesh themed army) but more than that = cheese
Combining Lash with lots and lots of templates, also lame (effective, but lame)
Armies that look the same that use Defilers, Oblitz, Khorne Berzerkers and two Lash HQs
It's an army list that you really like that everyone else hates because it is effective and enjoyable to play.I bet if you took what people said about your list i a negative way(i.e. wow your list is so cheese!)and psychologically analyzed their statements they would either express jealously of your awesome list or they are angry because you wiped the floor with their army.BUT HEY,i'm just going out on a limb.
You'd think a nurgle list would be smelly enough to be cheese.
Anyway, according to most people in this thread, my list is going to be cheesy. Hey, if I'm going to spend money on converting lovely defilers, then I want to make the most of them.
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i would say a cheesey army is one that can cause a completely new player to destroy a ton of very experienced ones. basically an army that is SO hard that theres not much you can do about it except shake the guys hand and concede
Cheesy is very difficult to define. Usually because if someone complains your army is cheesy, they are being hypocritical. Think about it, they are complaining that all you care about is winning... but they are complaining because THEY want to win to.
Generally, I ignore comments calling me, or my army cheesy. I played online games for years, I have heard everything from the Pistol from UT to the Hammerburst in GoW2 called cheesy. If someone doesn't want to play me, so be it. If they are nice about it, and we agree to avoid certain things (Dual Lashes, for example) I'll happily Omit them. If someone walks up to me and says "Zomg! Ur rmy SUX u n00b!" Then I'll happily field whatever I feel like that day. And if its a tournament of some kind, the nice-guy army list goes out the window.
But thats just me
A cheesy army is just another term for an army you have recently lost to
I generally try to stay away from "cheese" calling.
I do, however, find certain lists to be cheesy regardless. Such as the Uber Battlesuit Tau lists (2 units of 6 fire warriors, then the rest is almost completely battle suits with plasma guns and the twin railguns)
I also think that the multi lash, lots of oblit type lists can be very cheesy aswell.
My reasoning for this is not because I don't have a sure win (meaning I am not being a hypocrite) but more of, I don't have a chance to move/shoot/whatever. If I am taking 50% casualty's within the 1st turn or possibly 2nd, or if I am being forced into the open from lash and getting assaulted when I "should" have atleast 1 more turn to move away or shoot. Then I get anoyed very fast. Not because I don't win. Honestly I lose ALOT of the time, one more loss isnt going to bother me. I get anoyed because the other person is DETURMINED to win, and cares little for how they do, as long as they do. If I don't have the slightest chance in hell of winning, other than them getting PURE crud for rolls, I can't enjoy myself. I play to have fun, with a fairly evenly matched game.
I enjoy when the game is >close< and no one feels the need to conceed. If my opponant isnt having fun playing with me because I kick them around on the board, then I don't have fun myself. I feel like a douche.