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The title says it all, can a an army be pure nurgle and still win in tourneys? Say 2000-2500 pts? I really like the theme of nurgle and I find a mix of daemons very unfluffy, so I decided to try writing a list for them. Thanks!
I personally think not
A list that doesn't focus on Epidemius just has almost no killing power with nurgle alone. The only thing mono nurgle can depend on is Daemon Prines, Soul Grinders and taking Nurgle Greater Daemons. That's only 5 big targets and once those are down its going to be a very long battle
Epidemius lists are much better simply because when they work they are incredible brutal as everything gets 2+ wound power weapons. But it's not competitive because it takes a very particular list and set up. The list has to follow a very precise sequence of events to be powerful, that being taking 3 Nurgle DP, a GUO/Ku'goth and Epi in a large unit of PB in the first wave so that you can build the Tally quickly then your 2nd wave of Plaguebearers and Nurglings come in already buffed from the Tally and ready to fight.
But that's the problem, if that doesn't happen the list pretty much won't work. If don't have the exact list it probably won't work and if you don't get your perferred wave it really won't work because not only is your really killing power coming in one at a time and thus easily shot down but the tally doesn't start until Epi is on the field so you risk not even getting the tally started until late in the game. Basically epi list can just about auto-lose if they fail 3+ for Daemonic Assault, and that's just not competitive. (Plus the list has an even harder time dealing with tanks since the only units that can take them out are also trying to raise the tally at the same time).
And i'm sorry if you fell that Pantheon is unfluffy (the new codex basically re-wrote the fluff for pantheon to be fluffy anyways) but its really the only way to go for tourney level daemons
Last edited by CrownAxe; September 11th, 2009 at 19:31.
It's tough to say, because my Orks have gotten thrashed by Epidemus lists, but as CrownAxe says, it's all about getting the preferred wave. If the non-preferred wave comes in first, then you need to slow down the game, so you do the majority of your damage after they arrive. Needless to say, this can be very difficult to accomplish.
If it's a large list, you could always include non-nurgle units in the non-preferred wave, to tie up the enemy and do some damage until Epidemus arrives, but there's always the chance he won't arrive until turn 5. It's really up to you, but when I think 'Epidemus' I think 'fun' lists, not competitive.
All that said, plaguebearers to tie up your opponent and capture objectives, and Daemon Princes of Nurgle (with noxious touch, breath, cloud of flies and wings), are both quite competitive. It's just 'pure' Nurgle lists that aren't. Now that I think of it, if you want to be competitive, I wouldn't go pure 'anything'. The gods of chaos work a lot better when they work together.
Last edited by mynameisgrax; September 16th, 2009 at 02:19.
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I'd have to say yes. A mate of mine has a nurgle army and I've personally never seen him be defeated. the only army to have come close was another daemon army full of Khorne, Slannesh and Tzeencht. I run Daemonhunters/Black templars and still struggle to find a way to win. That said it is an epidemus List with 3 Daemon Princes and a greater daemon of Nurgle
It is not competitive since you are relying on 3 DPs to carry you army and you have no real answer to mech.
That said, it's a fun army and would be fine for friendlies or whatever.
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I must say that a nurgle daemon army can be very good. so far I ahve played several games and so far this is my score:
I dont play with epidums and this was in league in my gaming clib. Because oif my record with my daemons i won the league. What people has har dwith is that it is a lot of shoots that need to be made to kill any kind of daemon of nurgle unit. Those not matter if its nurglings, plaguebearers or something else. My GUO took more or less 3 tunrs of shooting from a whole army of ledars before it died and then the rest of my army could finsih of the other units. The thing to remember is that you need to take a lot of everything as you have few attacks, you need to really look at the objectiv of the game and dont be afraid to use beasts of nurgles or nurglings . I run around with a unit of 7 (sacred number for the win) of both units and they kill anything with all there attacks and wounds. Wonderful stuff
So I say that a nurgle monolist can be very good even if tricky to use (but thats just fun for me)
I think nurgle lists are very nasty. I won the last tournament at the hobby store useing an almost completely nurgle list (it had the masque, thats the only non-nurgle) in 1500 pts. The toughest battle i had to deal with was fighting those darn gaurd plasma tanks, ugh.
i would say yes even though i am not a chaos daemons player and i am a noob. But i have written two Nurgle lists and a khorne/nurgle list before. Sp i think alot about Daemons if that includes
Not a chance, in 40k armies require at least one of two things and thats speed such as the orks or firepower like the guard. A Nurgle list would have neither true you could have 3 deamon princes flying around adding kills to your tally and toughing your troops but they ain't that good.
The fact is Nurgle lacks the speed needed to catch the opponent in close combat and the ranged firepower needed to destroy transports and fast moving targets.