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Why is it that loyalist Space Marines get individual codices for some of their SM Chapters and we do not? I would like to know what you guys think. Should Chaos get the same treatment when they decide to update us, or should we go back to something closer to the 3rd ed version with updated rules?
I think we should go back to what it was like in 3rd ed. not only did it make it so we can have our dedicated god armies but also make our own undivided chapters. Also with it all in 1 book we do not have to buy several books, saveing money is always good.
Ok time for your input.
I believe that they could have it all in one codex, with point adjustments and restrictions/limitations to units based on your alignment. This way non-aligned armies can go with vanilla rules in the book, and everyone else gets adjusted.
e.g. tzeentchies all get ap3, and everything shooty costs a few points more cause of this, and assaulty stuff like zerkers cost less (due to opportunity cost). The restriction is that no nurgle stuff can be taken.
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The best bet would be to do it like vanilla marines where depending on what HQ choice you have various special rules are used. For instance the IW character would let oblits count as elites rather than heavy, the alpha legion character would make chosen scoring units, the word bearers character lets you mark lesser daemon units.
It would be fairly simple to do and imo would be VERY effective.
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Individual codicies? It will never happen, unless they decide to make 10+ new models for each faction. The odds of that are roughly the same as GW having up-to-date, relevant, clear FAQs.
That said, a Codex similar to the previous Chaos codex would be fine. A half-dozen pages per god / legion will be more than enough to cover it.
Should Chaos get individual chapter codices?
Uselessness aside I'd simply like to throw in my consent and tell GW what we need - it wouldn't be all too difficult to make a Legion Codex, heck, even a PDF would be better than nothing no? A lot of the mentioned ideas sound just fine to me and are similar to ones I've come up with on my own.
Last edited by hotspike18; February 16th, 2010 at 23:22.
I would LOVE to see individual codexes for the Chaos Legions; it would bring so much to the background, so much character to each army!
However... In terms of practicality, I don't think it would work. As Aeroplane said the old Chaos Codex seemed to work alright. But what might also work would be a basic 'Renegade' Chaos Codex and a 'Legion' supplement - an additional book which contains the background and rules for the specific Legions.
I mean, you only need to apply a special rule here or there, and maybe some restrictions on the Force Organisation chart, maybe some special items in the armoury, and you've got yourself a Legion. Probably pdfs would work just as well, although GW hasn't really made a tradition of that.
It would be nice if they did get individual Legion codices, but such an option is extremely unlikely. I would be just as happy if the Legions had special rules for each one (ala 3rd ed.), and the fluff for each got fleshed out a bit more. I would also be happy if each of the traitor legions had more fluff than the red corsairs.
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I guess I read a little too quickly over the starting post, I would absolutely LOVE to see individual codices, but I realize it's highly unlikely. I understand that there aren't as many various Chaos Legion players as there are say Space Wolves, etc. But a Legion Codex (covering the missing 4ish Legions) wouldn't be too hard. As mentioned a few pages of fluff per each group would be great as well as some variant rules.
Word Bearers could perhaps take a few limited selections as allies from the Daemons Codex.
Iron Warriors could perhaps get some expanded weapon options, perhaps allowing Havocs squads to score (I am loathe to go old school and give them MORE Heavy Support)
Alpha Legion, as mentioned, needs scoring Chosen or the like.
Night Lords, well, since our Raptors are now the same as the Loyalist versions, and Blood Angels have Troop Assault Squads, why can't we? Or perhaps they could write up a whole new unit of Raptors, with some extra attributes (maybe extra Fast slot? - They are kind of useless anyway)
And I always thought it'd be unique to see a Black Legion variant, special issue Terminators perhaps?
(I know I know, I hope for far too much)
Individual legion (chapter) codicii would be nice, but as said above, are very unlikely. I'd love to have a big CSM codex that covers all the legions so you can still make "allied" forces if you wish to (say Iron Warriors with a detatchment of World Eaters or something like that).
I don't like the idea of having special characters for the legins (chapters) like the space marines do. It's just not cool to have to field the same character over and over again to be able to play your army of choice.
A system where you could choose an alignment for your hq choice(s) would be preferable in my view. Something like a Chaos lord that can choose one of 9 traits that resemble the legions. Nurgle alignment could add resilience and Feel No Pain to the Lord, make Plaque Marines a troops choice, forbid raptors etc. A Night Lord alignment could make Raptors a troops choice, and so on.
Returning to the Cult guys as elite units might be a good idea for that matter so you have to take the bulk of your forces from your aligned cult units and/or regular Chaos Marines.
I first started playing in third edition, and didnt play for very long at all, now im back into it, I definatly miss the old legion specific rules. Its suprising how a few "limitations" or "special units and rules" seem to make all the difference.
I was thinking about individual codex's (codi???) but i think somehting that might work and make most peoiple happy is to release 2 books. One for the Alpha legion, Iron Warriors, Wolrd Bearers and Night Lords, with the black legion being used as like the basic setup, similar to the old codex, as well as God specific armies that could be more limited, but also would make (me for one) very happy. Thats just my 2 pence i spsoe!