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I haven't had CSM for very long and to tell you the truth, I'm a bit "Legion" stupid. I know from another thread that there are 9 Legions and there are Legion rules to boot. But I never gave it much thought about Legions or Factions when I painted my army. To be honest, I don't want to be tied down to one Legion. To paint my army, all I did was pick out a picture in the codex I liked and a way I went. It turned out that I picked Hakanor's Reavers from page 69. I painted all of my Marines, Terminators and Dreadnaught in those colours. But I'm confused about a couple of things: a) there are two paint jobs listed for a Hakanor's Reaver, one on page 20 and one on page 69, so which is it or is it both? b) In painting my guys in this way, am I in any way obligated to Legion rules? I really don't want to be. I painted my Khorne Berserkers the way they are in the codex, gold and red and my Possessed much like Beasts of Annihilation. What do most other people do, follow one legion scheme for all their units or do they mix them up?
the fluff and rules make it easy to not be tied down. all nine legions are mentioned in the codex, though not nearly as well as the 4th codex. they game is designed to allow for near infinate color schemes, allowing for different schemes for different people. i paint my black legion, black with a shining gold trim, some use black with bad moon yellow, or bronze. i do trim my black legion berserkers in brass.
my legion could be an offshoot of the black legion, part of the black legion or have never heard of the black legion and just be a group of loyalists marines that got swept into the warp and came out with those colors, what really matters is not what color your army is but that you are happy with them, it is not what story the fluff tells, its what story you want to be told.
so in answer to your question:
a) it is whichever you prefer,
just because you painted them in the same colors that another person decided was hakanor's reavers, does not actually mean they are hakanor's reavers unless you want them to be. khorne berserkers can be what ever color scheme works for you. the original berserkers came from the world eater legion, but that legion was broken up basically due to the fact that its members liked killing each other as much as the enemy. according to fluff there are CSM surgeons that go around performing the required changes to make any CSM into a berserker, dedicated to khorne, usually painting their armor red in tribute to the god they serve.
some groups according to fluff are made up of remnants of other warbands, you could have a warband that consists of no two units with the same color scheme, but most people prefer their army to look cohesive, some use legion colors if that is what they like, but this hobby allows any and all to do really what they like, how they want to do it as long as it keeps in the spirit of the game. some like to use just their cult troops in traditional legion colors, some like to make them all part of the same scheme.
i personally make my berserkers in black with brass instead of black with gold, and make sure they all have crimson gore trimmed chainaxes, my plague marines are black with gold, washed heavily in a goblin green that makes them seem a little infectious to me, my noise marines are black with bad moon yellow to give them higher contrast. it is what i do, but others do other things
I forgot to mention that I painted my vechicles with gold trim and blood slpatters here and there for a not so clean look. I'm glad I don't have to tie myself down to one group, but I respect those that do. I plan on getting some plague marines, some Thousand sons and some Noise Marines for fun. I'm certainly not the very best painter in the world, but I really like the look of the Hakanor's Reavors and mine turned out good. I get compliments on paint job. Getting the lava patterns in three different colours is time consuming but worth it. I really don't want to paint my Noise Marines pink or my Plague Marines with too much green as I really do not like those colours too much.
As far as Noise Marines are concerned, they would not necessarily be pink since these guys have gone beyond that and are into multiple colours and hues (apparently mainly pastels) in order to overstimulate their visual sense. There is some reference to this in the Horus Heresy novel "Fulgrim" IIRC, though I can't give any page numbers since I haven't read it in some time.
Plague Marines are green probably because that is the colour most associated with pus, phlegm, etc etc.
Basically it's up to you as to what colour you decide to paint your CSMs. It's your army. I just prefer to paint Legion-specific troops in the well-known and established-by-GW colours, but that's me.
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Again, just paint what looks good and fits with your army, don't be afraid to respray a model to change the paint scheme if you don't like it. Also though, you may want to have something on your models to tie them all together, e.g. I collect black legion, but still painted my berzerkers red, only with a black shoulder pad so that they fit in with the army as a whole.
Trouble is, I don't know what the 9 legions are. I read the codex and get confused on what is what. Is the Hakanor's Reavors a Legion?
I don't believe they are.
From my understanding, the nine legions are...
(Woo! Only had to resort to Lexicanum to check two of those )
Actually, while I was on Lexicanum, I found mention of Hakanor's Reavers. It claims they are a renegade Chapter. You can see what Lexicanum has to say about them by clicking this link, if you feel so inclined, but there isn't a lot there to be honest.
Last edited by andrewbeater; November 17th, 2010 at 03:51.
And just because no one else has said it:
Legion specific rules went away with the introduction of the 5th ed. Chaos codex (there were rules in 4th ... not sure about before that, since I started with 4th). So, even though I - as an example - paint most of my army as Death Guard, I'm not playing any different rules than you are.
Some of us who did play Legion rules are waiting in hope that one day, GW decides to bring them back in an updated fashion - perhaps in supplemental White Dwarf codices if not their own published book. Most players just feel they were a lot fluffier than the current 'dex.
5th edition Chaos is all about the renegade chapters being the forefront of the Chaos story. So Hakanor's Reavers, the Red Corsairs, the Purge, and all the others (save the nine Legions). Just so my Death Guard could stay pure from a fluff standpoint, I even started painting a squad of Bleak Brotherhood to supplement my army with things Death Guard wouldn't traditionally have around. Some people wouldn't bother taking this measure, however. As others are saying: it's your army; paint it how you want.
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