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I'm picking up a bunch of chaos from an old buddy of mine I used to play with and I'm beginning to consider what I'm going to do with them. I know he has the contents of the battle force, a defiler, fabius bile, a squad of PM an obliterator and maybe even a predator.I have an obliterator of my own and a melta dread I could easily convert.
Aside from all this I was thinking of what direction to head in as I am a fan of themed armies. An Iron Warriors theme is very appealing to me and I would most certainly want to focus on ranged power first, CC second to fill in the fluff. Is this approach to chaos game play effective though?
The majority of chaos armies I have met head on have always been more CC/Short Range oriented, which to me makes sense given the strength of their troops in that area compared to others.
Some ideas on how to fill out a nice iron warriors army would be more than welcome . However if the fluff isn't worth it I'd be fine to role a khorne army instead (I like the fluff but I just hate red ).
CSM armies are more cc/short range oriented than many other SM armies, mainly because we can't dish up any serious amount of long range firepower...
Sure we have oblits, but they are few on the board and actually do best at short range anyway. We have sonic weaponed noisemarines, but they are expensive as hell! Our basic troops have 2 attacks base(two weps), with a fairly cheap option(flag of khorne) for another one, which makes them excel in cc as well...as well as combined with rapid fire bolters, no combat squadding and the tendency to bring 2 meltaguns...
Our most effective HQ choice is a beast in cc and at short range(if you bring MoT and wind), can be used with lash(as can a sorcerer) but will end up in cc sooner or later...
So yeah, we are a short ranged army. For fluffy reasons, bring lots of oblits and regular squads, maybe some "recently infected" oblits as counts-as noisemarines if you want long range power...daemon princes is the way to go still, but model them with lots of cybernetics and maybe a big jump-pack instead of wings!
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You can make a fairly decent themed iron warriors army, and could have some cool conversions, but won't be very competitive. You could make a more standard csm army, with most of the fluff as conversions, or you could go for a fluffy khorne army, either of the latter will be effective, but it depends how competitively you want to play, and what you like better (so probably one of the iron warrior ones).
Ive started Iron Warriors recently myself and ive found that they still can be relatively competitive. Vindicators, Predators and Obliterators are all solid choices and competitive as well. For my Troops choices i just run the following squad, which has proven decent: 10 CSM w/ 2 Meltaguns, AC w/ Power Fist, Rhino. Comes to 245 points and is IMHO very good.
Arjuna is right, the DP is still the most efficient HQ choice. I simply run mine w/ Wings and Warptime. Effective, whilst at the same time not taking any Marks to retain some kind of fluff. A big jump pack would be awesome!
Dreadnoughts are also fluffy and effective at the same time. In short, an Iron Warriors themed army can still be competitive.
after putting some solid thought into it what I think I'm going to do is make a pre-heresey/mid-heresey iron warriors army. I Currently already have a tonne of standard marine stuff which I'm doing nothing with as well as a daemon prince. This way I will be able to run dual lists. I'm going to pick up a couple vindicators this weekend and I really shouldnt need much more. I'm also going to convert an artillery peice to be used as a thunderfire cannon for when I use the standard codex and I'm going to convert a dread to be used as a dreadnought-warsmith using the daemon prince rules when using the chaos dex.
I think this will be an excellent way to get a lot of versatility out of a single army while adhering to the chronological fluff of the iron warriors . Eg. One day I play the list being pre-heresy, using the standard marine dex. Another day I wish to use them as mid-heresy Iron Warriors so I use the chaos dex with corresponding model selections, i.e 2 meltas in a squad instead of a melta/las cannon . After the vindicators I think I'm going to role some bike squadrons. It will give the army a more mechanized appeal and tactically it will be great to match speed and toughness up with strong firepower. For the chaos list I'm thinking this will particularly effective because bikes with mark of nurgle will have 6 toughness.
With Iron Warriors being one of the two chaos skins for pre ordering Space Marine the game I was going to add some Iron Warriors to my chaos army. Well a full 2500 point army lol.
I was going to use a mix of plague marines and zerkers for troops. Plague marines being mostly steel and iron giving them the +1t and FNP over basic marines. Everyone knows that in sieges CQB will happen so the zerkers are just Iron Warriors who train in the art of CQB. Both having Fearless is because of the no retreat that they showed in the Iron Cage. You can find ways to use anything in the Iron Warriors army so why close your chooses?
@xDETHx Turtle The options that you talk of are what I meant by a more standard chaos army, for example the twin meltas instead of something like a lascannon on your squads.
Bikes are good (esp with T6) but are expensive, so aren't a great competitive unit.
I like the dual lists and conversion ideas.
@ RSSchroeder: Sounds like a plan, plausible too. A couple of Vindicators is definitely what you want. Bikes aren't the most competitive, but don't let that stop you taking them. They would be fluffy and are still workable. Its not as if you will be utilising any other FA slots.
just scored 3 attack bikes on kijiji for $35 muahahaha!
Obilteratiors and Vindi's with their demolisher cannons and dozer blades (with the cool pattern on there) might fit the bill here...