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As some of you know, this past Saturday I played in a rather large tournament at one of the local stores. The tournament was a great blast, and I met a bunch of local players and networked quite a bit. The games themselves were fantastic, yet nail biting. Surprisingly enough, there were not as many SW/GK/BA players there as I would have thought, and quite a few rival chaos players. Overall, I did really well. I went 4-0 on the day, and was very happy. However, when they posted the score sheet, and I was one of only two 4-0 players going in, I was expecting to be pleased with the results. Naturally, this was not to be the case.
This was a Rogue Trader Tournament; meaning, players were scored on four categories:
1.) Victories (Points for Winning!)
2.) Army Composition (More like COMPENSATION, but I'll get there.)
3.) Painting (Obvious)
4.) Sportsmanship (Based on your opponents ratings of you.)
We'll start with Victories. I had the maximum number of points given for this category, which was 20. (20/20) No complaints there, obviously!
Next, Composition. This is where this gets fun. I'm going to be arrogant, and say that I was, by far and large, running the most competitive and versatile list, and my record reflects that. I knew what to expect from the local crowd, and what scenarios to expect. I tailored my list wonderfully, and I was very pleased when I saw that we would be judged on what our lists were made up of. At the beginning of the tourny, we were made to turn in copies of our lists, as always. I was confident that I would get a great score for composition. Not the case. In the end, I got a 13/20 for my composition. I asked the judge, politely and in private, what I could have done better, and he told me, and I quote: "This list is built to win. We want to see lists that are made for fun." To which I responded: "This is a tournament. Is the objective NOT to attempt to win games, and construct a balanced army list that can hold its own against almost anything else?" That continued for a minute, until I dropped it, not wanting to be rude. Later, a very veteran player approached me and explained that the store gives those points to those people who craft unorthodox, ridiculous lists, that aren't likely to win much, so as to raise their overall scores and not turn anyone off to the game. Which I guess I understand. However, a tournament is no place, imho, for pity points. I'm there to win, and I shouldn't be penalized for trying. I would understand the judges logic if this was a weekly gamenight, but this was a once-a-quarter torunament that draws players from all over. So that hurt my score.
Next, painting. Here is where I get really arrogant. I prepared for weeks. And weeks. Making sure that everything is perfect. Every model took over an hour, and those are just infantry. Vehicles and Princes? Forget it. All nighters. I'm being arrogant again when I say that I had the best looking army there. Period. In terms of cohesiveness, it was gorgeous. Details? It was flawless. Even the basing was was done well. They are certainly no Golden Deamon winners in my army, but they are pretty damn nice. I got a ton of compliments all day long, and always had people at my table, just picking up and oogling over my models. (Felt damn good.) Needless to say, I expected a good painting score too. Not so much. I ended up with a painting score of 14/20. That one hurt. Bad. At the top of round 2, every player got to vote for his favorite looking army. I had over 10 people come up to me and tell me that they were voting for mine, and asked for technique advice or had some questions. Countless others were buzzing around my table when it was time to vote, so that they could read my name to write it down. I was very happy with that. And then... 14. So I asked about this one, as well. And this one is where I really start to breathe heavily. When I our judge how I could improve my painting, he told me this: "The reason that I penalized you for painting is because you have nothing that specifically stands out. Everything that you painted is at a very high level, and way above table top standard. Because it's all so good looking, nothing caught my eye; they were all equal." I was stunned. Silent for a moment. Then, I lost it just a bit (this was right after the composition BS) and asked: "So, I would've scored higher if my troops looked below average and quick, dirty, and sloppy, and my HQ choices were at the same level that they are now?" To which he responded: "Absolutely. You would have received the full 20/20." I turned and walked away, in an open act of defiance. My rudest move of the day, I was hurt. And livid. So I got out of his face before I said something that I did not want to. After the score sheet was posted, people watched my shoulders slump, and the actual winner offered me his award, and told me: "This is just not right. I feel bad taking this from you, who actually deserves it." I respectfully declined, saying that he was fairly chosen. Just goes to show how fantastic the players are in this hobby to each other. What a fantastic thing to do. Didn't see it coming, and it helped a LOT with what I was feeling.
Finally, sportsmanship! I did very well here. I had a blast with all of my opponents, and we all ended up giving each other perfect scores or almost perfect. I ended this one with a 18/20. (Damn good for playing Dual-Lash/Two Defiler; Lol.)
At the end of it all, I placed 6th overall. Had I done better in EITHER painting or composition, I would have had been in the top three. I still walked out happy, and just to numb the pain, bought my little brother like 200 bucks worth of Black Templar stuff, and wallet made from recycled spiderman comics. Lol. Anyway, that's my review. I'm still a tad bitter about it, and I'm sorry if I come off obscenely arrogant or elitist. I just had high expectations. Learned my lesson pretty damn good though, and it's a danm good thing the players were so great, because I might have quit right there if everyone had the judges mindset. After all, who wants to sink countless hours, and countless dollars, not to mention your heart and soul into every model that you collect, to be told that they "don't stand out" and are "not fun to play."
Sorry for the novel (@Rabbit ), but I needed this venting space. Please guys, pick me up before I set my battlefoam on fire and never come back. Haha.
P.S I should rep anyone who made it to the end of this. Haha.
Wow, I agree with you whole heartedly (sp). A tournament is set up to compete and to win, so the 2nd point level excuse they gave you was BS. Balanced and competitive list should have had the most points. But I did see where they were coming from, but I dont think that a tournament graded like that is the time to pull that card. And the 3rd point is ridiculous if you whole army was painted above table top you should have gotten a better score hands down. In theory everything on the table should look uniform not have 1-2 spectacular units and the rest a bunch of duds.
Yeah, seems like a few crazy things happened there! But don't be discouraged though, there are a lot of tournaments that aren't like that! (though, in all honesty, dual lash is considered cheezy, especially together with templates. So in a way I can understand the composition thing, we get a lot of minuses on composition for that here in Sweden...but his painting argument was really strange!)
...if only you'd run with Alpha Legion, then you'd have the perfect response to that painting statement: "but they are Alpha Legion, they are supposed to look similar..."
win some, lose some
I can understand the composition hit with a twin-lash list... but the painting hit sounds like SUCH squigleavings.
I really need to focus on a single army...
Orkz: 3000 pts. Slaaneshi Chaos: 2500 pts. Ultramarines: 1250 pts. Necrons: 1000 pts.
Eldar: 1000 pts. Tau: 1000 pts. Dark Angels: 550 pts. Grey Knights: 450 pts
I have to agree with some of the other statements here. The Comp score is basically there to judge how fluffy your list is, not how competitive your list is. If you want to run a strictly competitive then you will not get a good comp score, (that's what 'Ard Boyz is for, no comp scores) but if you throw in 2-3 fun units in there your score will greatly increase and if you win with that list your chance of getting best overall is much greater. As far as the painting goes it sounds like total BS to me. The OT must had a personal liking to someone else's army. It is total BS that he told you that if your core was a worse paint job that you would have done better. If you really felt cheated in painting and the winner felt like you deserved the prize more then him then you should have gracefully accepted his offer. Next time you go to a RTT remember that your scores are for Best General = Best win/loss ratio, Comp = most fluffy list, Painting = judged by an "impartial" 3rd Party, Sportsman = your opponent, Best Overall = everything Combined. Some people will go to win 1 specific category like Painting or General, while others will go for fun and may end up with a better Comp and Sportsman scores. It will be very hard to get full marks in every category as you will normally make enemies, sometimes by no fault of your own.
Thanks man. I almost feel like since they judged Comp first, he was, for some reason, SOO upset by the list (Which wasn't even cookie-cutter tourny for chaos) that he also took away from my painting score.
I didn't run Plague Marines, and had very few scoring units. Idk. Wasn't TOO terrible.
But yeah. Thanks for all the kind words.
As for accepting that guy's award; there is no way that I could bring myself to do it. Obviously, I felt bad, but I would have felt worse knowing that someone was going home without the award that they "won."
Even though I guess that I did. Lol.
After reading your story, I felt sad for your experience, but want you to know that you're not the only one who gets it "wrong". Especially on the subject of Army Composition: who determines what is cheese or fluffy? You'd better have some good boots on your feet if you are to judge an army on that. Of course people are going to discuss the judging, especially if they are convinced they are playing non-standard.
As for the painting, that was some real bull. You were not properly rewarded for your work, and the excuse of not having an eye-catcher because ALL models were so good, is inexcusable.
I have seen people win such rewards for having ONE converted and pro-painted model, while the rest of their army just had the mandatory three colors.
It may take some time for others to realize when respect and rewards are due. You ARE allowed to ask questions regarding what you could have done different to DO get a higher score.
Keep on showing goodwill, you will get good.
I hope you were not put off of the tournament scene, and will keep playing with a smile on your face.
Innovation suffuses this hobby like a tea bag in the boiling water of play.
Thanks man. Yeah, I'm def not put off. If anything, I'm more motivated to get back out there and make that judge eat his words. I found out the local store where he himself plays, and heard through the mill that he is not much a painter. I plan on going there to the next tourny and beating him, fair and square.
I very much appreciate the kind words. Also, my list for next time looks something like this:
- MoT, Warptime, BoC
7x Plague Marines
- Plasma Gun
7x Plague Marines
- Plasma Gun
- Rocket Launcher
- Land Raider
- 2x Melta Guns
- 2x Melta Guns
- 2x Melta Guns
2x Land Raider
So they can get a hold of that one for composition. Needs some tweaks, but it will get the job done. And it seems like too much fun. Hahaha.