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This is just something that I've been wondering about really, as it's been my perception of Khorne armies from both fantasy and 40k.
Basically what I want to know is do you think that (fluff-wise, we're not talking about real people here lol ) Khornate commanders have any real motivation/thoughts past just killing stuff? I mean, with Tzeentch, Slaanesh and Nurgle, to me at least, all those armies, despite their differences, all seem to be working toward some kind of goal, e.g. domination over an area. Whereas Khorne seems to be all about just killing for the sake of killing, with no real strategy either on a grand scale or on the battlefield past getting into close combat and chopping stuff up. I just think that's very 1-D and am wondering if like Tzeentch etc, there really is anything past that lol.
Sorry if this is a bit of a rambly post... it's late and it's not really something where I can lay out my thoughts coherantly haha.
Depends on how far you go back in the fluff. Later fluff likes to picture them as frothing madmen with the coherent thought abilities of a bag of M&M's. There are a few exceptions of course - there's a short story about a squad of berserkers who're pinned down by Imperial Guard inside a building of some sorts found in the current CSM codex, I can't remember the page, but if you've read it, you'll know which one I'm talking about. Basically, that story makes it obvious that they're not mindless butchers, they hold back waiting for their opponents to reload before charging out.
In older fluff, Khorne was just as much a god of war - not just killing, but the entire art of war and all that went along with it... But there was also a form of honor to him and his followers, a time when martial pride carried as much weight as adding another skull to the throne. A time where Khorne was the god who punished cowardice and send his flesh hounds after those who would flee from battle - when Khorne worship was just as much about the fight itself as the killing. A Khorne worshipper might have found a guardsman cowering in fear in some trench and chosen to ignore him in pursuit of a more worthy opponent.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that while bloodthirsty, they are still Chaos Marines, they still possess all the experience and knowledge their long career of blood-letting have granted them. They certainly have their own tactics and while they might seem simple - every war is won by deciding on certain objectives and fighting to achieve them. From the viewpoint of a Khornate Warlord look at it this way: The blood-letting IS an objective in itself. A berserker might throw himself into a suicide charge and die - while this may seem foolish, we're mortals untouched by the taint of chaos. They are not. There's no way we can deduct and follow the reasoning going on in a tainted mind, but it helps to remember that Khorne truly does not care from where the blood flows and neither do many of his fanatics.
A berserker throwing himself into a suicide charge may die before claiming any kills, but he'll still have achieved what he intended through his own death. The goal of a Khornate's action doesn't necessarily have to be victory.
Khorne fluff has evolved plenty over the years. He wasn't always as fond of axes as he was now. Back in Rogue trader there where mentions of a World Eater havoc unit called the Teeth of Khorne who had special heavy bolters designed to make an even bigger mess of whatever they hit than the standard rocket-propelled-explosive-heavy-bolt that regular bolters fired. :)
Must admit I prefer the sound of the old fluff from what you've said... probably stems from the fact that all the khorne armies I've ever fought have simply been blood-crazed axemen who just charge in and then thats the end of the battle, so the image I have of them is similarly simple. But from the old fluff you describe they sound like "proper" soldiers :p amongst several various eccentricities.
Last edited by Blackadder; February 14th, 2012 at 23:56.
i know one of the more current short stories about the iron warrior know as the Warsmith mentions a very intelligent Khorne lord at a tournament run by Huron Blackheart. the character says the most dangerous khorne followers are the ones that kept their sanity lol
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Just because they don't see dying for their god as a problem doesn't make them idiots. They're still highly trained and experienced at the arts of war. Sure, their preferences may twist their tactics towards higher casulty rates for both sides - but from their prespective, I bet they're thinking 'objective achieved' when it happens.
Innovation suffuses this hobby like a tea bag in the boiling water of play.
quick random question, if I summon a greater demon, which marked demon is it? e.g. if I summon a Greater demon in a Khorne marked unit of Chaos Marines, is he a Blood-thirster or the generic Greater Demon Profile in the chaos 'dex?
Ha Do you think it's worth summoning a greater demon at all then any more?
I like using the SGD. He is cheap and with T6 W4 Sv4++ he is harder to kill then most Tyranid MCs for a fraction of the price. And he is still really mean is combat. I have had games where he has won me the game single-handedly by taking out Mephy, a Libby Dread and a Furioso by himself. People underestimate them, play that to your advantage. The down side is having to sac a Asp. Champ or other suitable model.