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so i'm playing in my first apoc game in a couple of weeks. it's 5000 pts per player. i've played normal games using 3800 pts, but that was using the FOC.
so what i want to know is what tactic should i employ in listbuilding? are formations worth it?
i am thinking of running the chaos conclave formation, because i have loads of hqs, and it seems fun. however, that would be a significant point sink, and i could put many strong units on the table with those points.
is it worth running 3 predators and 3 defilers? i guess i just don't know how best to use the points now that the FOC doesn't apply.
any input at to your experiences with apoc games would be appreciated.
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I've got good experience with the Linebreaker formation (with 4 Vindicators). That big pie-plate, even when it scatters, will ruin your opponents battle plan. Removing a terrain feature can help, too. The Warhound Titan is another good Legendary, and can remove whole units in one shooting phase. Mine is armed with the Plasma blastgun (the biggest template with strength 7 and ap 2 = death to everything) and Vulcan mega bolter (spray it, then sweep it into the gutter).
One of the Stratagems I've continually used is the one with the warp portal (can't remember its name at the moment). You can use it just like an Icon to summon Daemons near it, but even better, every non-Chaos psyker will ALWAYS suffer a Perils of the Warp attack when using a psychic power within 24". Deploy it as far ahead as possible. I've never killed so many Zoanthropes so easily.
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The warp portal is fantastic particularly if you use it with codex Caos Daemons rather than summoned lesser daemons from the CSM codex.
I would steer clear of the conclave unless you really want those extra strategic assets and are willing to take all the point sink characters to get them.
Preds and defilers are strongly reccomended since they can contest objectives and lend decent fire support with their long range. The Defiler's close combat ability too is great and often the best way to keep them alive by getting locked in combats to avoid enemy meltaguns.
Lash is useful getting first turn charges off and bringing units out of cover or creating troop concentrations for titan plasma blast guns etc. Plague marines are great for holding objectives with plasma guns or mount up in a rhino with meltas and a PF. Termiecide units and oblits can be good to deepstrike in his rear areas. CSM with IoK and berserkers are good for attacking enemy objectives.
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In the Apocalypse games we've played, I was allowed to mix my Daemons and Chaos Space Marines freely. One of the examples in the Apocalypse rule book mixes named Daemons and CSM, so it was ruled I could do it. Obliterators are excellent to Deep Strike in and fire on the enemies holding objectives. I believe there is an Obliterator Cult formation that is quite formidable to use in one of the books. Like I mentioned in your other post, you can easily and cheaply make the Silver Tower of Tzeentch which is a Super Heavy Skimmer equipped with a D weapon and d6 Bolts of Tzeentch. You could easily make a couple and have them run wild. All friendlies within 6" of the tower gets a 4+ cover save so if you ran 3 of them, they could shield your other units as they advance. The SToT is only 400 points each, so three would fill in a point gap nicely.
Remember that as Chaos you can use many of the Imperial formations relating to vehicles, so Basilisks etc. Damocles Rhinos rock... I made some Chaos ones.
The Conclave is quite good, but you need a plan to get the best out of it. If you lose its HQs its effectiveness decreases. Lash Sorcerers can be mounted in Rhinos defending Objectives, or mounted in Raiders with Terminators or Berzerkers. Note that you don't have to field the Formations units with the HQs. Lash Terminator Sorcerers can hang with Terminators (big units with MoTz).
The Silver Tower is nice, but dies quickly. Finding cover for it is usually impossible due to its height. I did make one though.
Warp Rift can be awesome.
The Hounds of Huron can sometimes be very good, but if your opponent has a Beacon, it can be a disaster.
Plaguereapers are nice too!
Forget Brass Scorpions, they are too fragile