Welcome to Librarium Online!
Join our community of 80,000+ members and take part in the number one resource for Warhammer and Warhammer 40K discussion!
Registering gives you full access to take part in discussions, upload pictures, contact other members and search everything!
Hey, atm im collecting DH, and after im done with them, im thinking of starting a black legion army. Ive used chaos before, an undivided army with a bit of nurgle in, but this time i want my army to have a little bit of everything, and a relatively quick colour scheme. Now, i was thinking the other day how i could model my prince etc. I want to give him wings, loads of cool looking stuff, a kickass weapon etc.(modelling wise). But im really clueless on how to come up with a good prince, one that can take a hell of a beating, and can also dish one out. These kinds of princes are very expensive points wise, like 210 points, but i want mine around the 160 mark, still with good equipment.
So, i made this thread so i can look at how u folks tool up ur princes, and so that i can get a few ideas.
Here is a prince im thinking of creating:
Daemon Prince-200 pts
Mark of chaos undivided
Twin lightning claws
This prince is obviously very daemonic, but i dont really like giving it all those gifts, it makes the prince way too expensive, but then again its really the only way he can be a monster in CC. But he is rerolling all failed morale checks, all failed to wound rolls, and has +1 S and I on the charge. Also has 6 attacks on the charge.
If i had to change the lightning claws, i would probably go for a dark blade, which makes him S7 in combat, S8 on the charge, which will kill space marines in one hit .
Plz post ur princes/lords everyone.
I also want a few comments on my prince, how to change him etc.
Grey knight squad 1
This topic has been exhaustively discussed in this section around a million times. Try the search function. Also, daemon princes are tooled up exactly the same 90% of the time (especially khorne ones), so there isn't that much variety.
Also yo can't give Lightning Claws to a Prince with Stature, read the Codex entry carefully.
<a href='http://www.wellcoolstuff.com' target='_blank'>Stoner marines</a>
And giving a 5+ invulnerable save only is not that wise if you want a comment about your prince. Yes 4 wound with resilience is nice but you need to realise that a Daemon Prince is not invincible. You can't kill everything with it and numbers will easyly kill it if there's a power fist inside the unit the one that is attacking you. I often do 4-5 attacks with my champions equipped with a power fist that allow only invulnerable saves (they are in all my advancing squads), that's 5 attack you need to roll a 5+ on a D6, how often do you get those kind of result? I know I don't get those really often...
Good night, look, I know it's easy to just post what you need to know first, but you have got to read the next couple of pages ust in case before you post. All these,"Help me, Ima noob and don't know what to buy." and "Daemon Prince Combo stuff has been done before. Sorry, you just happen to be the one I said something too. Here is what your looking for, good luck.
"Equip him for close combat. That will his job most of the times and his life will revolve around choping little guys in two. Just look at his BS stat and you'll understand why.
Give him the sword he comes with and find an oversized close combat weapon for the other hand and there you go, a Daemon prince who's a beast in CC. The sword can become a Dark Blade, a power weapon or just a simple CC weapon if you wish to use another Daemon Weapon and if you give an axe as the other CC weapon you can say it is a Dreadaxe if you wish to use this Daemon weapon.
For the rest look around in the army list, you'll find plenty of Daemon Prince exemples. The one I use is equipped with the Mark of Chaos Undivided, D. stature, D. flight, D. armour, D. aura and a Dark Blade + a CC weapon. "
"The census is that people generally go for quantity over quality.
My lord has:
Feel no pain
Talisman of burning blood
Pair of Lightning claws
Mark of Khorne
Costs a whopping 216 points, (someone enlightened me that not all counts toward points total so this is allowed but verify for me please), otherwise i will swap the lightning claws for a power weapon and cc weapon, he cant be killed outright by lascannons, has a 2+ save plus the feel no pain trait. Put that with the flight and blood frenzy and he's in cc very quickly. Yes he is a fire magnet, good, it takes the focus off my troops for a bit, while they're busy shooting up my lord the rest of the army is charging down the table, once he is in cc he cant be shot at and he will be hard to despatch because of his mobility with the blood frenzy rule, ie he will go from squad to squad."
"Daemon prince ot Tzeentch: 195 pts
Mark of Tzeentch
"My Daemon Prince has the following:
Berserker Glaive: I far prefer this to the other daemon weapons. It consistently allows for an incredible number of attacks, and with the rest of his upgrades each hit is able to deal with independant characters as well as hordes. The 4+ invulnerable save is also fantastic.
Daemonic Speed: I prefer this to Daemonic Flight because he's a Khorne Prince, so he keeps up with the rest of my army fine. And it assures that my guy is the one charging, and not the one being charged.
Daemonic Stature: My guy has no gun, so this is nothing but benefitial. It does allow him to be shot at, but he's so insanely hard to hit. The benefits in WS and toughness are great.
Daemonic Resillience: Just makes him that much harder to kill. It pulls him up to a 6+ to hit for most people.
Daemonic Essence: It just allows him to keep on hitting for that much longer. Adding another 1/3 of his life on is a great deal.
Ferocious Charge: A poor man's daemonic strength for someone who has too many other daemonic abilities.
Feel no Pain: This is such an awesome skill. Not only do they have to hit, not only do they have to wound, not only do I have to fail saving, but they still have a 50% chance of not getting through anyway.
Though he is prone to concentrated firing, he has never died in any battle I have won, and has always been the last one to die in any battle I have lost. He provides the perfect cover for my Berserkers. It terrifies me the amount of firepower levelled at him. If that was ever fired at my Berserkers instead...I shudder to think how quick the battle would be. He is the greatest asset a CC army could have: mobile over from fire across the battlefield"
"Since everybody seems to be sending in Khorne princes, I thought i'd try to help you out.
Daemon Prince: Mark of Nurgle, Manreaper, Terminator Armour, Daemonic Strength, Daemonic Essence, Furious Charge. 160 Points
And if your allowed to, buy daemonic resilience. I don't collect nurgle so I don't know if you can or not. Because technicaly you would have only bought resilience once, the other time you were buying the mark of nurgle, which just so happens to include it... "
"My personal fav is a Slaaneshi Deamon prince with a Dreadaxe, Demonic Speed, resilience, stature, essence, and aura, then popping Combat drugs on him. And gift of Chaos that way when he gets into close combat it acts like an additional attack to kill the enemy which gives you a partner in violence. It works quite well for me. Also an additional close combat weapon.
Edit: Oops scratch the mutation I forgot that I didn't put that on him cause of demonic gifts limit."
true god of cc.
2 lightning claws
jugger of khorne
collar of khorne.
this guy rolls with a squad."
I am pretty new to Chaos ( I play TAU and SOB for long time) but this is my idea of deamon prince
- Chaos bike
- D Strenght
- D Mutation
- D Aura
- Dark blade
- Furious Charge
- Spike bits
So its 8 str 6 attack, 6 I monster with a bike for mobility. And costs around 180 pts
and I squad of bikers (3 of them as a screen). With new turbo boost he can assault anything in 2 turn and to kill him u have to kill 3 bikers first with 3 + inv save. "
"Ok, this is my Chaos lord on paper.....
Chaos Lord with 60points
Daemonic stature 15 points
Daemonic flight 20 points
Daemon armour 20 points
Daemonic essence 15 points
daemonic mutation 15 points
Feel no pain 10 points
Talisman 5 points
Pr of Lightning claws 30 points
Mark of Khorne 10 points
Furious charge 15 points
Frag grenades 1 point
216 points total
WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
x x x x x x x x (edited for copyright reasons, moderator missed them)
Correct me if im wrong on the stats but the attacks does not include 2 close combat weapons when charging or the extra attack for assaulting so that would give a total of 7 attacks with the ability to re-roll missed attacks. Also, because its a m/c does it need frag grenades to assault troops in cover or does he see all because of his size? "
So, please, any of you out there who need to ask, check before you do, chances are, it's been asked before.
Thx for the replies guys, even though i didnt ask to be flamed/told what to do etc.
Look i know how forums work, and did go back a few pages, and found nothing. If there was something there im sorry i must have missed it.
Anyways, thx hotspike for the princes u gave, theyve helped quite a lot, but on ur first DP, u have the stature and LC combo, which ive been told is illegal. Mortanius pointed it out earlier.
Grey knight squad 1
I just copy and pasted everything. Thats why theres names under them all, those don't belong to me, they are all posts from up to three pages back.
I play 1,000 sons and I'm definitely keeping my Daemon Prince in my army. The reason: I like the model (not the standard one, I've got his face converted) and I think he's cool. I also enjoy my Monstrous Creature/Dreadaxe combo. Does he die? Most definitely, he's always at least gotten one wound, and for reasons you'll see later he's only got 3. Does he make his points back? Almost every time I've used him. Here's my setup:
Daemon Prince: 182 Points
I really hated adding armor but when it came down to it I decided heavy bolters alone make me need it. This prince only comes up to a whopping 182, which is only slightly more expensive than a tooled up Marine Commander, yet who more often than not will slice through any marine commander like butter (that's my new cliche` phrase I've been using on everything since I got my chaos army and started using my prince :evil: ) I don't like the 200+ points some people will drop in him, as I think you're just headed for trouble, making it almost certain you won't get your points back. As it is I can just eat through 3 IG squads and I'm already even with points. Last 2 games my Prince has a) cut a swathe through about half of a 2000 point Tau army including 7 crisis suits, and b) killed an entire Death Company (9 men + chaplain). Death company with chaplain was somewhere around 230 points according to my opponent, and I know that he got a good 500 or more points alone smashing Kroot and Crisis Suits. I do have to mention my opponent got half points because I blew a 2+ save from one of his little drones (I can't believe it but hey it happens).
In any case, so far my Deamon prince has done all you can ever ask a unit: get their points back and more. That's why I stopped using Lord of Change in 2000 point games, I might use him in lieu of a Demon Prince in 1,000 or something, but my sorceror lieutenants always get their points back with bolt of change on one vehicle or in combat with one squad. My advice to you is to try to "economize" your prince, taking advantage of (cheesey albeit very effective) tactics such as rhino screens and making use of cover whenever possible.
Karnov let all of us fulfil our repressed dreams of being a fat Russian man running around in the great outdoors and getting shot at by weird stone heads and crap. You didn't have a repressed fantasy about doing such marvelous things? Well, I don't believe you . . . [djpretzel]
Thx for the tips greymeister, and nice prince.
I want mine to be under 200 too, that and any more i think is way too expensive for a single mode.
Ive thought of a new prince, based on the ones posted here:
Nurgle Daemon Prince-195 pts
Mark of Nurgle-10 pts(+deamon resilience)
Little expensive i know, but nurgle princes just rock. Now, i dont know if stature + terminator armour is allowed, but i cant find anywhere in the codex that goes against this.
This prince can live for VERY long time, with toughness 6 and 4 wounds. Hes only strength 5, but i dont think that matters too much. He can re roll one miss a turn, gets +d6 attacks each assault phase, plus another attack from mutation, and ANOTHER 1 from terminator armour,and he can fly . This means that, potentially, the prince can have 11 :o attacks each assault phase, and always has at least 6(mutation, termie armour and u always get al least 1 from manreaper).
Love this prince, but if its illegal to have stature and termie armour together, i can change it.
BTW, if i take this nurgle lord, does it mean that its a nurgle army? or can it be just individed, except that if i take death guard they count as troops, and i cant take any tzeentch units? basically, i want an undivided army, but with a nurgle lord.
Grey knight squad 1
Should he be the leader your Death Guard would count as troops and no Tzeentch units would be allowed. If you can't have the terminator armor, just buy the Daemon Armor.