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I',m having a fight with this girl called alex and her space wolve army is undefeatable can you help me make a army list against this.. it is legal the guy at games-workshop said.
i lost last time either for bad rolls or bad tactics
6x termies with stomr bolters and power fists
4x termins with assault cannons (omg 16 rending shots!)(legal it is!)
Commander with power fist and bolt pistol
10 other retinue things 1 AC with power fist all have counter charge
Venerable drednaught with assualt cannon and power fist with intergratable storm bolter.
10 bloodclaws 1 AC with thunder hammer all have counter- charge
its around 1500 points
DEAMONIC GIFTS:staure,essence,armour,dark blade, kai gun....160
1x AC with power fist and plasma pistol
6x CC people 1 with plasma pistol
2x termies with combi-bolters and power wepons................238
1x termie with combi-flamer and power wepon
1x termie with combi-melta and chain fist
1x termin with reaper auto-cannon and power fist
1 AC with powerfist..............334 points
5x Marines with bolters
1x with lascannon.................79 points
5x Marines with bolters
1x with lascannon..................79 points
Defiler with havoc launcher......150points
Predy with lascannon upgrades.145 points
Drednaught with plasma cannon and power fist 105 points
1. Does she field 1500pts or less, cause at 1501 she must have 3 HQ, also what the equipment on he Wolflord, as Leman Russ isn't viable.
2. She lacks her second troops choice which MUST be Grey Hunters, so her list is ILLEGAL
3. I believe that SW temies can take ony 1 heavy weapon for every 3 termies, so the HQ retinue is also ILLEGAL
4. She can't have a sergeant/champion for her BC as she would need to take away 1 wolfguard member but since she has used the 20 she may take this sqaud is also ILLEGAL.
The guy at your local shop shoud read better cause this list is pretty much Illegal on neary all aspects.
1. she fields 1500.
2. if grey hunters are good at close combat thats her second sqaud.
3. its not for every three termies (i think) its for every three members.
4. i just asked there are 9 in the sqaud.
she might be breaking some rules.
and also i asked for tactics.
need to go in 12 min's
But the Ven. Dread can be an HQ in SW. Sounds like the unit under the HQ is the Grey Hunters. Yeah if she has 10 terms in the unit then she can have 4 assult cannons. Up to one in three can have heavy weapons that includes terminators. Counter attack is a natural bonus the wolves have.
i thought ur only alowed 150pts of wargear/chaos gifts for a deamon prince?
Still with ony 10 termies, she can put ony 3 weapons in it, it's 1 AC or Hf for every 1 in 3 termies or other weapons for 1 in 3 powerarmoured.
She sti has to may of them.
One quick thing I noticed about your list at a glance: you can't take the Darkblade and the Kai Gun. Only one daemonic weapon per army, so one of them has to go.
As for beating her list, you could try taking a havoc squad with lots of plasma -- that'll put the termies down pretty fast. Drop the defiler, and possibly the predator, and add more squads of marines. If you're playing undivided (which it looks like you are), maybe add some squads of daemonettes or bloodletters. Lots of rending attacks or lots of S5 power weapons -- death death death either way.
Make sure to put chainaxes on your berserkers -- those are worth their weight in gold and would likely take the terminators down fairly quickly, also.
I'd probably drop the retinue from the Prince since he can be picked out for shooting purposes anyway (due to stature) and give him flight/speed. Use those points for more troops -- more space marines, I'd say. Your 2 minimum squads (which I assume you're taking solely for the lascannons) are fine, as long as you realize you're just taking them for the lascannons -- you could also consider giving those guys infiltrate to line up shots on his dread, HQs, or termies, and getting a save in cover, even against rending shots. Now add some bulkier squads, like the zerker squad -- 10 troops or so with special weapons. This will present a lot more targets for your opponent, and also give your troops more staying power.
You could also consider taking a greater daemon -- a Great Unclean One is a great value, and would be just slightly more expensive than your Defiler.
It looks like you both are playing with extremely low model counts -- I have around 40+ models in my 1000 point list, so I'd imagine you should have 50-60 at 1000 points. She only has 35 models in her list -- 10 of them (termies) should go down pretty quick to plasma. The dread should also go pretty quickly in a round or two of lasfire, even though it is venerable. Then you have 20 SMs to chew through (which bloodletters or daemonettes could do equally well), and the HQs left (which your DP or a greater daemon, or both, should be able to handle).
Well your list is not geared down to kill her.
As Sithlet say, your model count is too low and taking a squad of Terminators, a defiler and a predator in a 1500 pts list is an overkill. Drop the Defiler, the Terminators, make your squad of 15 berserkers 2 squads of 8, cut the DP retinue and drop him dow to a really well tooled up Lieutenant with a Dark Blade (and yeah 2 Daemon weapons are illegal in a CSM army) that will join a CC unit. Also think about trading the Dreadnought or the predator (your choice) for an Havoc Squad with 2 autocannons and 2 missile launchers, that should take care of a good part of her troops. For the rest, take at least 3 squads of 10 CSM with meltaguns and AC with a power fist. Give them infiltrate if you can and make them charge. The terminators should drop under your heavy weapon fire and your special weapon fire.
A Terminator squad killer is an Havoc squad with 4 plasma in it. Rapid fire 12" away and you should wipe out that squad in about 1 turn (or 2 if unlucky on the rolls).
Numbers will beat her, with 2 squads of berserkers in front of your army, some shooting behind it and a couple of CSM squads charging too behind the Berserkers or form the side (with infiltrate) should win any battle against a