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At the GW I asked if it worked and they said not but I was like WTF? Seriously. They just joined chaos, why should they not have them, were chapters all identical till 4th edtion rules effected the 40k universe in a wave of change that none of the inhabitance noticed?
They should have more traits, the same guys have been alive since the herasy and I dont think only minisule in comparison to that time Vet Skills is enouph to represent this. Rules for the sake of rules are Bull ****, logic over balence every time.
we dont have traits because he have veterans abilties so dont complainwe get infiltrate, furious charge like the blood ravens and dont need the disadvantage trait thing. and Iron warriors, alpha legion, night lords, word bearers khorne, slanesh, nurgle and tzeecth have traits kinda. Iron warriors are allowed 4 heavy support, Night lors 4 fast aatack, Word bears 7 troops, nurgle can get 9 troops but no fast attack but some have to be in rhino's
Last edited by MADDNESS; June 24th, 2005 at 18:44.
Thats all well and good but I only find 1 Vet skill remotly usfull (Furious charge) and looking through the SM codex I find alot that would help my army.
Infltrate aswell, and if you only find that usefull then why are you complaing that CSM are 17 points with Furious charge and blood ravens are 21 points with it. plus CSM get WAAAAAY more customization what with all the Vet's skills and demonic gifts and pshcic powers and deamons, God wepons like blast master and deamon wepons like Manreaper
I understand but still, logic would dictate both get them anyway. All of the Chaos custemization but the Chapter traits they would also logicly have. I know alot of things dont make sence in 40k but this isnt about the univerce, its simple logic.Originally Posted by MADDNESS
Maybe because the CSM dex is older than the New Space Marines one?
I'm not too sure, but I think that may have something to do with it.
As Madness states also: Many of the main CSM froces have advantages and disadvantages already.
Ok, so maybe the CSM dex isn't too "DIY CSM Force" Friendly...
But that just takes me too my point at the top.
Maybe they'll plan something for the New CSM dex, whenever that might be. But until then, work with what you've got. Not what you want.
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yeh, and then if they did have traits they would be the same we are spossed to be opposite's!
pro is that you can have Ws 6 Str 10 I 6 deamon princes for 140 points
con is that some Csm players are led to thinking they can spend as much as they want on DP's like 380 points ( its possible)
Last edited by MADDNESS; June 24th, 2005 at 18:59.
If you really want traits, make a Chaos Space Marine army, using the Space Marine Codex.Originally Posted by Osaria
- Watch this space.
The CSM codexs covers pretty much all types of armies one would want to build, and most armies don't fallow doctrines, but the ways of thier gods, making each army unique.
I don't see how you could costumize a force to be dedicated to khorne but yet divergeant.....
Yea, CSM are already potentially a very beardy force and can be easily over-powered, we don't need anything else. Maybe a traits system would be nice but it wouldn't exactly make the force more balanced.
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