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I know this is semi-directed at a specific user, and I think that's against the rules, but it is open to any who would also like to comment. I haven't played 40k in a bit, and I am curious as to why a lot of people are against the Beserker Glaive and/or Statured Lords?
I know the drawback of being shot to pieces and all, but is there somethign else I am missing?
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Glaive- I have a love/hate relationship w/ this weapon (sigh). I stopped using it recently, because my local gaming group has moved to using more fast attacks units, such as landspeeders. Basically, the glaive is good against armies that lack fast attacks that are difficult to take down. Landspeeder, for example, will control your lord to no end if he's equipped w/ a glaive. Khorne, especially, has difficulty taking down landspeeders.
If, on the other hand, your opponents don't play with alot of fast attacks that are difficult to manage, the glaive is really amazing.
Stature- I use this confuration in about half of my builds, if only because I love the models. Honestly though, I would rather have a non-statured lord equipped w/ a kai gun (yes, Caluin...it's all because of you) to help manage my enemy, than a statured prince; especially in high point games. There's alot to be said here, but I'll try and keep it brief:
When to use a statured prince: The best army for stature is a 1500 point build, in which case you have the points to make your prince as durable and as offensive as possible (though, a kai gun on a Lt. is still a good choice as well). If you're going to take a statured prince, then make him fast, make him very threatening. He will soak up alot of your opponent's attention, while the rest of your army advances. Usually, my prince will charge into battle the third round with only one wound left. He'll take down a vehicle or an expensive troop squad, and then be killed. I usually sink around 160-180 points in him (including d. essence), because I use him both as a durable magnet, and to kill one expensive unit before he dies. He rarely makes his points back, but remember, he also functions as a magnet. Whew...done here.
When not to use a statured prince: The rest of the time (save for 1850 point builds, which is debatable). I'm going to get alot of slack for saying this, but on the higher point builds, the statured lord is too easy to kill. The more points your enemy has, the more lascannons, assault cannons, and the likes he buys; so the statured prince is much easier to take down. For this reaon I prefer a chaos Lt. w/ a Kai gun in anything larger than 1500 points. He will always make his points back, he's versatile, and he's cheap.
In builds less than 1500, I can't justify taking a statured prince, because of the points required to make him effecitve. For this reason I usually take the chaos Lt. w/ kai gun as well.
I'll take this in two seperate questions - first about Stature, then about the Glaive.Originally Posted by Mister Molasses
Stature removes the ability to take two of the best upgrades that are avaliable to Chaos Models; Terminator Armour and Infiltrate. Terminator Armour gives you far too many benefits for such a cheap price to pass up on foot slogging Lords, and Infiltrate + Daemonic Speed ensures that your over priced, CC tooled up HQ unit will hit Close Combat first turn. The quicker you get your HQ into combat, the sooner he starts earning back his points. If he's designed for a shooting or counter charge role, then speed isn't an issue and Terminator Armour can be taken.
Another problem with Stature is the Monstrous Creature rules. You're basically giving him a giant "Railgun me" sign strapped to his chest. In the Chaos army lists, there aren't too many places for him to hide. He can't take shelter with other MCs, as can the Tyranids. Your only real option is to hide behind Rhinos, and we all know how long they take to die.
The Beserker's Glaive is even worse. No movement enhancements, so you're stuck with footslogging speed with a measly d6" added in. You can't choose where he goes - your opponent does. Worst of all, even without taking Stature, you stick out like a sore thumb, and I promise you that every heavy weapon avaliable to your opponent will take shots at the IC.
Combining the two isn't quite so bad - if you have the Glaive, you might as well take Stature so he can withstand Lascannon/Missile Launcher shots. He already can't hide, so the Monstrous Creature rules only benefit him. The other option is Terminator Armour, so you can atleast attempt to choose his target before you lose complete control.
It all really boils down to one thing - you can't control the IC. You have a very expensive model (as you need to invest into quite a few Gifts to make the Glaive work) who you can't control. Each turn he trucks off on his own. That Glaive won't look quite so impressive when your IC is chasing around a Wave Serpent for all six turns.