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What's better? A pair of Lightning Claws or a Dark Blade and a close combat weapon?
I've calculated the MEQ per assault for these combinations of wargear (where DS is Daemonic Stature):As you can see, the high strength of a Dark Blade is wasted on T4 marines. A beefed up Daemon Prince with DB kills just as many marines as a Lord with Mutation. The latter can also hide from enemy fire in squads.Code:2xLC DB+CCW DS DB+CCW no charge 2 2.22 2.22 charge 2.5 2.78 2.78 charge+1str 2.96 2.78 2.78 charge+2str 3.24 2.78 2.78 charge+1at 3 3.33 3.33 charge+1at+1str 3.56 3.33 3.33 charge+1at+2str 3.89 3.33 3.33 charge+2at 3.5 3.89 charge+2at+1str 4.15 3.89 charge+2at+2str 4.54 3.89
On the other hand, the rerolls from the Claws allow room for improvement where the Dark Blade stagnates.
Conclusion: use DB+CCW Lords/Lt's for killing tough models and vehicles, use 2xLC for mincing ordinary troops.
P.S. I've totally forgotten about Combat Drugs, because I play Iron Warriors. I anyone wants to include them in the table, please do not hesitate to do so .
Last edited by onodera; December 12th, 2005 at 17:36. Reason: typos
Can you try another calculation?
The highest initiative, highest strength daemon prince you can achieve (without stature) is a Slanneshi biker Lord.
With drugs, this badass AVERAGES WS 7, Str 8, 7 attacks ... he can go higher if you risk extra rolls for the drugs, but let's stick to the normal stats. Can you feed that into your formula?
That's some good math there. What little I bothered to double check looks solid enough. But I don't quite agree with your conclusion - you are trying to say that the strength bonus from the Dark Blade is wasted when compared to a pair of lightning claws. I don't believe that's accurate - a more accurate statement is that any strength bonus beyond the Dark Blade is wasted on a MEQ model.Originally Posted by onodera
The Dark Blade is the most efficient weapon avaliable to Chaos. No other weapon boasts the bonus that it does. Taking upgrades beyond the Dark Blade is when you start becoming less efficient.
The other problem is see is that Statured Princes can't wield lightning claws.
Oh, you are quite right, thank you. I always forget about this trait of the Stature.Originally Posted by Caluin
There's like, four ways to add strength, and stature is only one of then. D. Strength + F. Charge does the trick, as would combat drugs. You could still average +2 strength with lightning claws, no problem.