I see plenty of people using Dark Blade & Dreadaxe, but does anyone ever use the Kai Gun or Ether Lance?
The Kai Gun is popular in shooty armies, often the Iron Warriors. I don't use it personally since I much rather have a counter-charge unit with a Dark Blade for those armies, but it works for some people. It's a good weapon, and is excellent for taking out MEQs.Oneiros said:I see plenty of people using Dark Blade & Dreadaxe, but does anyone ever use the Kai Gun or Ether Lance?
Heh, just part of my job, I think. But there is no reason for people to not debate - I only stated my opinions on the two weapons. People are free to disagree.LordLink said:lol, Caluin you have a habit of answering questions to thoroughly and destryoing any chance of a good flaming session. If anyone else on these forums answered first they would have said something like Kai Guns are exlcusive to Iron Warriors and ether lances plain suck. That would have started a good debate.
As is your right to disagree - makes for differing opinions and good discussions. Though, I still think a Darkblade would work better against the Carnifex and Wraithlords. A Statured Prince with a Dark Blade easily hits strength 8. Enough to wound a Carnifex on a 2+ or 3+, and a Wraithlord on a 3+. And, as I've said time and time again - the Daemon Prince is not designed for taking on big creatures such as that. They're troop killers. A Carnifex with Toxin Sacs and any Wraithlord will kill the Daemon Prince in one hit. You just can't put him into danger like that.LordLink said:Ps: I would also like to disagree with 2 things on your daemonic gifts thread. 1st, 4+ is a huge advantage for a daemon prince with a dreadaxe as it allows him to go toe to toe with your enemies big things (I.e carnifex's, Wraithlords) where he previously couldn't do that.
So would a Bolt Pistol, which is not only cheaper, but doesn't eat away at his Gifts total.LordLink said:Also daemonic fire can be very useful for a lord with lightning claws (or if they have talons/ venom for some reason).
They're listed under the "Two handed Weapons" section of the Chaos Armoury, so they count as a single two handed weapon. Any character model may have up to two weapons from the armoury, one of which may be two handed.LordLink said:Off topic I know but I was under the understanding that a pair of lightning claws took up both your weapons slots?
I had a huge rant with someone who was adamant that this was the case. He then realised he was reading the wrong codex. A pair of LCs is a 2-handed weapon, letting you have a single handed one as well as the 2 Lcs, just as Caluin says.LordLink said:Off topic I know but I was under the understanding that a pair of lightning claws took up both your weapons slots?
This is enough to instant kill a DP unless it has toughness a toughness enhancement for example D. Stature.Also, Caluin, I thought the wraithlord was S8? Not enough to Instant kill a DP.
What, you mean the d.stature from being a daemon prince in the first place?IAmAngel said:This is enough to instant kill a DP unless it has toughness a toughness enhancement for example D. Stature.
This is only the case in the CSM codex as all others I have seen list Lightning Claws as single one-handed weapons. If this was an oversight or a specific benefit of CSM is unknown so until there's a FAQ stating otherwise, enjoy it.monsieurcartier said:I had a huge rant with someone who was adamant that this was the case. He then realised he was reading the wrong codex. A pair of LCs is a 2-handed weapon, letting you have a single handed one as well as the 2 Lcs, just as Caluin says.
Um. Wraithlords have a modified strength of ten. It carries two Dreadnought Close Combat weapons which raise its strength.monsieurcartier said:What, you mean the d.stature from being a daemon prince in the first place?
You need s10 to instant kill a DP. Which a wraithlord does not have.
That is correct - it is something peculiar to Chaos. Space Marines have it listed in the single handed with the misnomer "Counts as two weapons." Just a little thing that Chaos can enjoy and hold over their Loyalist brethren.LordCreampuff said:This is only the case in the CSM codex as all others I have seen list Lightning Claws as single one-handed weapons. If this was an oversight or a specific benefit of CSM is unknown so until there's a FAQ stating otherwise, enjoy it.
That's correct. Had to look it up to make sure, since I don't play against Eldar too often (read: never).Grey said:Um. Wraithlords have a modified strength of ten. It carries two Dreadnought Close Combat weapons which raise its strength.
Its Toughness is a 8, which is perhaps where you're getting confused.
Meh. It's not harming anything, people are learning new things and new tactics, and the OP is learning why people choose Darkblade and Dreadaxe over the Kai Gun/Ether Lance, which is concurrent with his post.Grey said:This is kind of off topic of the original thread though.
The Necron Monolith comes to mind as one unit that doesn't allow augmented strength due to power weapons, power fists, DCCWs, etc...Grey said:EDIT: I meant that discussing the Wraithlord is off topic. But since we're allowed...
Kinda makes me wonder why they bother listing it with a base and a modified strength since you can't blow the DCCWs off the Wraithlord. I guess there might be a few things out there that effect things on their unmodified strength.
That's not what I meant.. sorry for not clarifying. Rather, using the Ether Lance characterizes your Lord. It makes him different from other characters because he wields that weapon. The way the weapon is represented on the model is irrelevant.LordLink said:even using a glaive for fluff is irrelevant. Daemon weapons can be modeled however you want so you can just make a Dark Blade-Glaive or something. I myself am making a dreadaxe spear.