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Aquestion for you to considerIron Warrior CSm's are considered to be siege experts and are allowed to have converted Basilsks and Vindicators as heavy support options so why are theNight lords who are regarded as fast attack experts not allowed converted land speeders or attack bikes?
Because that would be unbalancing to the game.
Chaos has a weapon that is similar to the Basalisk and Vindicator already - the Defiler. So it's a minor upgrade for a bigger gun at a slightly cheaper price.
Chaos does not have anything remotely similar to Land Speeders. That is one of the few things that makes Loyalists "even" with their Chaos counterparts, and to take it away from them would be devastating.
Attack Bikes I could see, but it'd still be unbalancing since Chaos can take larger bike squads to protect them.
Lastly, the Basalisk and Vindicator are limited to one per army. To be fair, that'd have to apply to the Landspeeder/Attack Bike as well, and just one of either of those doesn't accomplish much at all.
okay I'll bow to your ideas to a certaain extent but I'm not asking for these fast attack choices for every chaos legion just the night lords who sre lets face it the chaos version of the Ravenwing so I still can see no reason why the night lords would not have salvaged a few land speeders yes we are allowed bigger bike squads but I would happily take Space Marine sized bike squads and have an attack bike or a speeder
I agreed, Nightlords would do that, no buts about it, a group that depends on rapid deployment would grab some downed Speeders.
Ahh that is true, but DO the Night Lords "Depend" on rapid deployment? This I'm not so sure about. I don't think that equating Night Lords to Raven Wing is an accurate assessment.Originally Posted by LictorInTheGrass
First my impression of the unit focus of the extra fast attack that Night lords gets is raptors. Sure they can take the bikes like the rest of chaos, but the fluff seems to emphasize the raptors. (and to a lesser extent furies.)
This seems to suggest fluffwise that Night Lords are a jump assault army rather than a mobile shooty army. I don't see a compelling argument for jump assault to be more likely(or less however) to have a landspeeder than any other type of chaos force.
Second Night lords are more about Suprize and Terror than they are about speed. Speed is certainly an important tool in achieving these goals, but not the only one. Unlike a Ravenwing Army, Night Lords still require normal Chaos marines to fill their troop slots, not bikes ect. (Ravenwing ceases to be ravenwing & becomes Dark Angles when you add troops into the mix.) Anyway these troops have their own fluffy way to achieve suprize: Being sneaky. The stealth adept veteren skill is exclusive to Night Lords among all of chaos, and it is used to represent this fact. They also fluffly tend to take the infiltrate Veteren skill to get them closer. The point of this is that I see bikes/landspeeders as being fast, but not being stealthy.
On this aspect I can't see Night Lords having any particular desire to make or salvage attack bikes or landspeeders.
Thirdly Caluin is absolutly right on the game balance issue.
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This is kinda piggy backing off of Jormagi, why would the Nightlords want land speeders or attack bikes? My understanding (not always correct just my view) is Nightlords specialize in terror tactics and assault based armies. That being said Raptors are perfect for this as they drop from the sky, are fast, and terrifying both in modelling purposes and game play. While i admit chaos bikes can fit a similar role, the Loyalist Speeder is more of a fast hard hitting heavy weapon platform, the attack bike adds some heavy weapon support to your bikes squads.
With the comparison to Iron Warriors, the reason IW utilize the basilisk and vindicator is to aid in the sieges. Thus if anything i would consider the Nightlords being able to use space marine scouts with some daemonic abilities to represent the hidden threat within that can strike from anywhere (inflitrating or sniper rilfles) I don't see how land speeders and attack bikes would fit with the theme of the army other than additional fast attack options.
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its a bit un-night lordy. It says in their fluff they do not use deamons because they think they are above them so i cannot see them scrounging some broken bikes and speeders to use. Anyway why do you need them? i would rather have the space for raptors...mmm...
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Iwill agree Raptors (Budgies) are very pretty but like all pretty things they are also fragile bikes and speeders might not look as good but they are a hell of a lot tougher I'll take toughness over looks any day