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Well awhile back I posted about how basically I said "SCREW THE IMPERIUM!!!" and am now starting Chaos. Well after looking through the Chaos codex I decided to pick Iron Warriors. So far I have bought 2 boxed sets of Chaos Marines, a Rhino and a Havoc squad. I am using a bunch of bits to convert them to look cool (may post pics later!!) and also to give my Chaos Lord some character.
...anyways, back to why I posted this topic. So for my next purchase I want to buy one of the tanks unique to the Iron Warriors, the vindicator and the basilisk. Now at first I wanted to get the Basilisk as it seems like a relatively cheap and effective artillery choice yet I still do not know. Any suggestions for which one to take or how many I should take?
I've been more or less lurking in most of the forums on this lovely site for a while now, and the way I see your situation is that, in truth, there isn't necesarily a "better" tank of the pair. It's a matter of personal preference, the composition of your enemies army, and how dense the board is. If, say, you're playing something that your sure will come to you, like BA or Khornate stuff, than I'd say Vindicator. On the other hand, if you're playing something that you really dont want to run a relatively fragile unit up to, like Tau or IG, take the Basilisk and drop pie plates on those pesky Chrisis suits. Who needs LoS? And as for board density, the Vindicator performs much better on boards with lots of terrain, because if the board has enough on it, it can practically blow apart anything it can see. Personally, if I was in your position, I'd probably get both and use them together in larger games and decide between them in smaller stuff on a game to game basis. Hope this helps.
By and large, enemy army will determine what you want to use...BUT : If you are trying to be safe rather than sorry, take the bassy.
Why? I'm a play it safe kinda guy when it comes to shooting and as such it comes down to what can threaten the most without being threatened. That bassy makes him spread his units out quite a bit. If it's standard shooty meq, they will be shelled and they can't hit it, 2 good shots and it's made it's points back...It will make them branch out and limit manuevers.
The Vindicator will mess with people mentally, but they also know there's a place they can hide from it.VS armies that MUST get close to you (Khorne, BA, BT, Orks) they are a nightmare. Funny trick with Khorne is to have a speedbump squad of 5 marines, just picking their noses 7 inches away from a Vindicator...When the khorne marines charge them...They will probably wipe them out...but you have a s10ap2 pieplate waiting for them..Kabang.
The trouble with the basilisk is that most gaming tables just aren't big enough to use it effectively. You might have a couple of turns of fire, then the enemy will be too close.
The vindicator, suitably tooled up with parasitic possession and daemonic possession, is an abseloute beast. It's highly points efficient, has an obscenely powerful gun and, with the upgrades, it can still be pretty hard to destroy. The normal space marine tactic is to give it a rough terrain modification, hide it in terrain and then ambush the enemy with a massive pie plate, which works for chaos too. But because your vindicator is more resilient you can be much more daring with it and often, you'll get away with it.
There are very few reliable effective safe options in 40k. If there was a unit which could earn back its points without the slightest risk of conceding any, it'd need to be nerfed. The basilisk is nerfed by having such a huge minimum range.
to sum it all up basilisk=cheap, vindicator=expensive. If you want a cheaper weaker tank go with bassie, for a bigger stronger tank go with the vindicator. A vindicator with mutated hull, parasitic possession and daemonic possession costs a lot but its going to sit their dropping pie plates for a very long time. It will wipe out anything your opponent sends at it.
The basilisk is slightly weaker in that its anti-MEQ. It has to be selective about its targets and can't go after juicy ones like grouped termies after deep-striking. It also scatters further and so is less effective than a vindicator. The defiler can also replace a bassie and you can take a vindicator as well. If you get a bassie always give it indirect. Don't forget if all your opponents do get to far forwards you can always roll it into sight and start shooting direct again.
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The answer to your question is ... both.
I have a 1500 Iron Warriors army, and I run this combination: Basilisk-Defiler-Vindicator. Short, medium, and long-ranged ordnance. It is a lot of fun. Just watch out for lance weapons.
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Don't forget I.W. Basilisk stays at BS3:yes:
Ordance do NOT use BS for hiting their target.
They use scatter dice :yes:
Last edited by Ota; July 11th, 2006 at 11:23.
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Thanks. Have reread rules for ordnance. Had only seen the statement in the Iron Warriors section of the Chaos Codex concerning the basilisk and decided it wasn't worth the points for hitting on 4+.:wacko:
Dude, it doesn't!
It uses Scatter Dice to hit!!
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