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First of all, Hello there!
I have been looking in at this online community for a few weeks and just finnaly got around to signing up. I am happy to have found a place that is both friendly AND knowledgable.
heres the run down on me...
I used to play both Fantasy and 40K when I was in High School...years ago now. I dabbled in Lizardmen and briefly Tyranids but I was in love with 40K Chaos Space Marine forces. The appeal of the evilness and the sheer power and butt-stompery was almost too good to be true.
At the time, the rules were in the clumsy 2nd Ed. and the games I played took forever...so I didnt get to play alot.
Finish up High School, Join the Marines for 5 years and settle down in Indiana...shazam! here I be.
I picked up a box of models today because I have been thinking more and more about this hobby, not just for the gameplay but mainly for the hobby aspect of it. So I grab a set of plastic Khorne Berzerkers and a bunch of paints, tools, ect...
I open the box at home and I soon find out that I am missing 2 sprues!!
That sprue with the heads and torso front/backs? only have 1 of those.
12 sets of arms, bases, backpacks, weapons.....only 4 sets of heads and chests. for shame!
So aside from that poor little story and my brief introduction, I would like to ask a few quick questions while I am able.
1. What is refered to as a "hidden Powerfist"? Is this a sqaud leader that has a high strength attack equal to a PF...or a model that has a PF, but isnt modeled as such? I see it used in posts occasionaly
2. Should any Lord without D. Stature be without a retinue to hide behind, since the gift removes this option and "its better him than me" seems appropriate?
3. Have I broken any rules so far? God I hope not.
There it is. I hope to slowly but surely build up a modestly sized force, though I have NO CLUE which specific Legion I will subscribe to.
well, i dunno about 2 and 3... but a hidden powerfist is having a squad leader that is unable of being targeted seperately from his squad with a powerfist...
if you give the fist to an IC and attach him to a squad (or his retinue) he can still be singled out and killed, then the powerfist wont get to attack (as it attacks last)... but if you have it on the squad leader he cant be singled out and you can make sure all the other squad members die first, allowing him to get the powerfist attack
First, call up GW and have the box in hand and ask for those sprues to be set to you. Second, like Ling said, the Champion with the powerfist in the squad cannot be singled out. The Lord with D. Stature is better be on its own with powered-up stats and goodies. And no you haven't broken any rules.
As for what legion you should take... you're a military man and I assume you feel that flexibility and diversity are key abilities in winning an war, I suggest that you use Black Legion rules and make up your own chapter. From there, you can specialize as you see fit according to play style. Trust me on this. This way you can see all the units function.
Also, thank you for your services in your ours nation's great military force.
Last edited by LictorInTheGrass; July 23rd, 2006 at 16:05.
Already answered, but yes it is generally an AC with a PF "hidden" in his squad so all the others have to be killed first.Originally Posted by StoneFistOriginally Posted by StoneFistOnce you post your army list online here we will be able to iron out any problems you have in it.Originally Posted by StoneFist
If you do not know what you want to go with I highly suggest you stick to buying the basic 8-man CSM squad and just leave them unpainted for a while. Play a few small games and get a good idea as to what strategies you like and which you don't. You like massive CC? Think Khorne. Partial to the seemingly invulnerable troops? Go Nurgle or Tzeentch. Prefer surgical strikes, hitting before your oppoenent knows what's going on? Night Lords pack in the speed.
Anyways, you will just have to play some small games and get a taste of the new game. Funny thing is that I was pretty much in your exact shoes. I played 40k back in early high school about eight years ago and have just gotten back into the game. I used to play a Nurgle/Khorne Black Legion army but after a few games recently I relized that I liked playing the troops and loved the massive amounts of bodies that my Bloodletters left on the field. It didn't take me long to go online and buy a few packs of CSM and a boat-load of troops to convert my army to Word Bearers.
Glad to see you getting back into the game and good luck with those sprues. Also good to see that the Marines hasn't sapped ALL the nerd outta you :w00t: I got a friend who just got 15 days leave from Iraq coming in next week. lol He still has a few of his old Magic cards left...
"L'adace, l'adace, toujours ladace"
- Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.
Don't give the enemy a moment to consider how badly they are being beaten.
Never build defenses; let the enemy die in theirs.
"Audacity, audacity, always audacity"
- Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.
with regards to what legion to commit too, don't commit to any! This isn't like a relationship or something!
Paint your dudes an original colour, or any colour scheme you like, that way you can field them as any force that you want to - Alpha Legion, Black Legion, Iron Warriors, What ever your tiny heart desire. As long as your list is legal, no one can complain.
LO RulesOriginally Posted by AnonymousOriginally Posted by Cyric
Here is a brief overview of the chaos legions i borrowed from Inquisitor Hause's Chaos thread in the chaos stickies. If you don't like any of the legions you can create your own.Black Legion:
This Legion is the â€˜Vanillaâ€™ Chaos Space Marines. It has the most options, and has access to every unit in the Chaos Space Marine Codex. A Black Legion army can be good for close combat, shooting, or a mix of the two. Itâ€™s the most versatile of all the Legions, and is good to start out with. If you are unsure what Legion to start with, then Black Legion is probably for you because it gives you the ability to try out most things in the codex, and lets you get a feel for the general Chaos army.
Alpha Legion focuses on infiltrating. You get the Infiltrate special ability at a cheaper price for some units, and access to Chaos Cultists, a hoard type unit. As the Alpha Legion is an undivided force, it may only take the Mark of Chaos Undivided. Alpha Legion has access to Daemons, which is different compared to some of the other undivided legions of Chaos. Typically, Alpha Legion is a more infantry base list mainly because of their access to Chaos Cultists. They generally have a mix of shooting and close combat units. If you like a sneaky, infiltrating infantry army, then this Legion is for you.
World Bearers are an infantry, and daemon heavy force with access to all types of daemons. They may get extra troop slots, but have to give up an Elite, Heavy Support, and Fast Attack choice. The World Bearers can be lead by Dark Apostles that makes the units around him fearless. Unfortunately, the World Bearers canâ€™t take specialized marked squads. If you like Daemons, this is the Legion for you.
The Iron Warriors probably have the most firepower compared to the other legions. They gain an extra Heavy Support Choice, and the limitation on Obliterators is removed! You also gain access to the Basilisk (see IG codex) and Vindicator (see SM codex) tanks. You also gain access to the Servo Arm, which acts similar to the Space Marine Tech arm. . However, they must sacrifice two Fast Attack options to gain the heavy support selection, as well as not being able to select Daemons or specifically marked units. If you like firepower and ordnance then Iron Warriors are for you.
The Night Lords are swift and stealthy. By giving up 2 Heavy Support choice, they gain one fast attack choice. A Night Lord army can be fast and hard hitting with many Bikers and Raptors. They lose access to Daemons exept Furies and God specific marks however. They can also take the stealth adept veteran skill. If you want a quick, and mobile force that can hit fast and hard, then Night Lords may be for you.
Khorne (World Eaters):
Khorne is a close combat oriented legion that serves the blood god. Their main daemons are the Bloodletters, and the Bloodthirster. Their main troop choice is Berserkers. Basically, they charge forward and try to get into assault, usually backed up by a Predator for some fire support. They have limited firepower, but they make up for it in close combat. The Sacred number is 8. If you like crazy blood frenzy units charging for close combat, then World Eaters may be for you.
Nurgle (Death Guard):
The Mark of Nurgle gives an extra toughness, gets the True Grit ability, and makes them Fearless. Many forces have infiltrating/rhino squads with melta/plasma guns blast away, and then assault usually accompanied with an AC. The main daemon of nurgle is Plague Bearers, and their main troops are Plague Marines. They are very resilient, and are overall a powerful army with 7 as their sacred number. If you like resilient, a powerful units, then Death Guard may be for you.
Slaanesh (Emperors Children):
Emperors Children serve the god of Slaanesh. They utilize sonic weaponry that can be very powerful. The Noise Marines are excellent at shooting and assault. Daemonettes are the daemons of slaanesh, and though they can be fragile they can be very devastating on the charge. Slaanesh are considered by some to be the best legion for doing the â€˜Daemon Bombâ€™ tactic. There sacred number is 6.Accompanied by their good psychic, shooting, and assault abilities the Emperors Children can be a powerful, and fun legion to play.
Tzeentch (Thousand Sons):
The Tzeentch have greater sorcerers, and powerful spells. They are granted an extra wound, but move slow. Because of this, Thousand Son armies tend to be slow, shooting and psychic oriented armies. Their Daemons can be impressive, by laying down lots of firepower.
Their sacred number is 9.If you like resilent, and psychic powers coupled with a lot of firepower, then the Thousand Sons might be for you.
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Thanks for all the replies and helpfull comments/suggestions.
I look foreward to future posts, maybe even showing off my rusty skills with the paintbrush.