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ok, heres the link to what i'm talking about, hope its ok to post the link as the information is freely available to all if they know where to look
ok, i got a couple of questions about these and this article
1 - it specifically says they can be used by any army which can summon demons of slaanesh, so i am ok to use them in my alpha army? I think this is yes as they are not beasts as such but mounted standard demons
2 - do i need to ask my opponent for permission to use these? My standard playing group won't mind but i'm wondering if its something that up for question or because its published on gw online can i treat it as extra pages to the codex
3 - what you think of the units? I'm thinking they will be great fear troops with all those rending attacks with the demonic speed. get them into the heart of the enemy and they are going to be able to take out some very serious units.
thanks for any replies
1) Yes, any army that can have Daemonettes can have Daemonettes on Steeds. However, keep in mind that only Cultist units may carry icons to summon them, as it is stated in the Alpha Legion rules.
2) It would be a good idea. Just because it is on the website does not mean that it is an extension of the codex, unless it's a FAQ. It might be a good idea to at least inform your opponents that you got them from the website (they are Chapter Approved) and to as any tourney organisers prior to the tourney to doublecheck if you can use them.
3) I think they are nice, but cost a fair amount of points. However, I think it certainly is made up for by the extra attack and the extra speed, especially if you summon them at a bad time. I'd say they are worth it if you have the points and if you have a use for them.
thank you for your excellent responses
i shall keep a print out of the page stapled in my codex and shall ensure i inform any players i've not asked before that i'm going to use the mounted demonnetes just to ensure there isn't any confusion. Probably make sure i have a similarly priced unit on stand by to replace as there isn't any point arguing about these things. I don't think any but the most obstinate of players would really object but best to plan for all occurances
as for the units themselves, they come in pretty expensive but the 4 rending attacks on the charge is a real fear factor. The movement allows them to hopefully select non grunt units to earn there points back on that initial ferocious charge.
My alphas have 2 big 20 man units of cultists with standard "genestealer" ACs. They are going to be hard to kill in full so i'm confident i won't be left with a demon unit i can't summon
most importantly though i have 6 of my favourite models already painted and ready to play so i am SO HAPPY that mounted demonnetes have come to 40k : )
ya don't need permission they are official and as of 4th ed ya don't have to have opponents permission to feild special characters or units anymore
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Sort of. Some Special Characters still require Opponent's Permission to play. For instance, you can use any Chaos Space Marine special character, since they don't require opponent's permission. However, if you check the Orks Codex, all of theirs require permission, therefore you do need to acquire it before fielding one.Originally Posted by Plague_00
The reason is simple - the newer Books supposed to be balanced for general gameplay. The older Special Characters aren't always balanced, and can be extremely over powering. The newer ones are supposed to be powerful, but not game breaking.
As for being on-topic - you do require Opponent's Permission to field Mounted Daemonettes. They're not part of any official Codex update, nor are printed in any Codex, therefore require permission to field. However, I've never had anyone complain about the use of them.I've been thinking about this one. I personally feel that they're supposed to be treated as Daemonic Beast since -Originally Posted by garmor
A) They take up Fast Attack slots like all other Daemonic Beasts
Slaanesh already has a Daemonic Pack option, in standard Daemonttes
So while you could probably rules lawyer you're way into claiming that they're Packs instead of Beasts, I feel that they're meant to be Beasts, which means they're not supposed to be used with the Alpha Legion.
However, they were listed in the Chapter Approved section of white dwarf when they came out shortly after the most recent version of the Hordes of Chaos army book. Units that appear in Chapter Approved, unless stated in their listing, are official additions to a codex and you do not require your opponents permission to use them.
I disagree. For instance, Chapter Approved has army lists that are indeed broken and not fun to play against, but make no mention of needing opponent's consent to field them. Armoured Company is a good example of this - while they do happen to mention that they require some playtesting, there is no mention of them being illegal to use without permission from your opponent.Originally Posted by notkeysersoze
The Spike Rifles and Stranglewebs found in the CA site is another great example, since they're so far removed from standard Tyranid rules.
Another good example is the Clan Moulder list from Chronicles. Overpowered to point hilarity. However, IMHO a CA army list falls into a different category as there are specific guidelines made in tournaments about which non-codex lists you can and cannot use but little specific mention of allowed (or dissallowed)units that exist as one offs. I have yet to read tournament rules that state whether you can or can't field a deathwatch kill-team. Since they are Chapter Approved, I'm inclined to believe you can. As for friendly games, well that's what those alternate lists are intended for.
i'll stick to my suggestion above that i'll ask permission with anyone i'm playing against
as for the beasts i'm going to disagree with you Yak, i don't think they are supposed to be the same as beasts as they are simply an upgraded version of the pack and not a specific beast option. Again if someone i'm playing has a problem with this i'll not use them but given it specifically states they can be summoned by any army that can have slaanesh demons i'm going to run with them.