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Do Daemon Packs automatically count as possessing their appropriate Mark, and if so, are the stat bonuses already included in their profile? Also, where in the codex is this stated?
No. Daemons do not bear a mark of any sort, even though they are aligned with a particular God. However, often times they'll share the abilities of units that do have that particular Mark. For instance, Daemonettes, while not actually bearing the Mark of Slaanesh, make use of Warp Scream just like as if they did.
So to answer your question - no, there are no marks on Daemons, and their stat lines stay the same as listed in the Codex.
Page 12 of the codex states, "Demons will only manifest next to an Icon of Chaos Undivided or an Icon belonging to a squad with the same Mark as the Daemons themselves." That strongly implies that Demons have marks, which is what prompted my roomates question in the first place.
If they do not have the mark can you point out where they are specifically stated to belong to their appropriate god and therefore fit the sentence I quoted above?
The passage you quoted is more just a case of sloppy wording and people reading too much into it.Originally Posted by Darguth
The real question is "Can you specify an exact ruling that Daemons have Marks?" The answer is no - in the Unit entries of Daemons, there is no mention of them having a Mark of any sort.
Take the Daemonettes for instance again. If they had the Mark of Slaanesh, why would the Unit Entry bother pointing out that they have Warp Scream?
More to add. Check page 38, under the heading of Ancient Enemies. Note how it specifies that you if you have a Khorne Lord, you can't have models with the Mark of Slaanesh; Daemons of Slaanesh; and vehicles of Slaanesh. If Daemons came with their respective marks, there's no reason to specify the Daemons further, correct?
True, but that still doesn't cover the problem of myself not being able to find the rules that specifically state that say Plaguebearers are Nurgle demons. Now I'm sure they are, I'd just like to be able to find the damned rules for it . I'm glad CSM are not my main army in the slightest, that codex is terribly organized.
Wow, that is obscure, thanks!Originally Posted by Caluin
Sorry, quick follow-up question: If Plaguebearers don't have the Mark of Nurgle, and therefore Demonic Resilience, then why do they have a stated Toughness value that is one higher in parantheses. Where is the extra toughness in parantheses coming from? I don't see Demonic Resilience in the special rules.
Last edited by Darguth; August 27th, 2006 at 08:05.
Well, I don't see a 'Mark of Nurgle' anywhere on their sheet anyway. Besides, units with the mark of nurgle are not the only units with such an effect. Krootox, for example, have a similar thing with their toughness score. It merely means they suffer double toughness effects from S8+ weaponry, not that that will matter in all but the most obscure cases.
For the purposes of force organization and summoning, they count as having a mark, but I don't believe they benefit from any of the practical effects unless it's stated in their profile.
Exactly why I'm still befuddled as to why they have the increased toughness, I don't see anywhere in their rules where it states they have something that modifies it from the base toughness, but there in the profile it says T X(Z).Originally Posted by The_Giant_Mantis