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I understand that if you play a specific cult the regular marines become a special legion, such as Emperor's Children and Thousand Sons. So first question, do all of these have to look like the box sets from GW or can you use regular CSM?
Second question, for example you are playing an aligned army and want to take Slaanesh marines. These are in fact called Noise Marines not Emperors Children, but do you have to model them to look like EC or can they be regular CSM? If not, how can you distinguish between marks on different squads? If you are taking Nurgle and Slaanesh marines in the same army, should they be different colors or how do you tell the difference?
I guess i'm really asking what do you do with regular Chaos Space Marines? Can they only be used with a MoCU?
All good questions. It will be nice one day when GamesWorkshop finally hires an underwriter to make things clearer.
Onto your questions:
No, they don't have to look like the box sets. You can use regular chaos marines or even convert space marines. Personally, I really enjoy having a squad of ultra marines that I've converted to chaos; it makes space marine players upset to see their loyalists used against them as traitors (a good thing to be sure).
In most casual games/campaigns players usually allow for a less strict rules set. I often play at the G.W. shop in Grapvine (Dallas, TX), and even there it's not such a big deal to have unpainted models and squads without proper designation. However, in most 'competitive' tournaments hosted by G.W., you are indeed required to display appropriate marks on each model.
Finally, the only army allowed to take marks devoted to a specific god other than the 'BIG 4' (that is, World Eaters, Death Guard, Emperor's Children, & Thousand Sons) is the Black Legion army. The other Chaos Undivided armies are prohibited from taking any other mark other than the Chaos Undivided. Of course, you can always create your own fluff (which I highly suggest beause it's fun), but the army would still techincally be the Black Legion, even if you changed its name.
Hope this helps.
Last edited by Rabbit; November 7th, 2006 at 23:28.
Senior Bunny really knows what he's talking about.
I would put forward an exception with regards to thousand Sons though. while the codex states that many marines have fallen and joined the ranks of Khorne, Slaanesh and Nurgle, it's quite specific when it mentions that the thousand sons are the only source of rubrics.
So, for rubrics, you'd need to use some kind of special model to represent them.
But for others.. i mean,.. really what's the difference between bezerkers and the death company? You get my point - be creative, it's what us Chaos players are all about.
What I would do , is just stick a great big painted banner on the aspiring champ's back pack - the khorne/slaanesh/nurgle mark from the vehicle sprue. Anyone who sees that squad isn't going to have any questions with who they align with plus they make pretty cool icons for summoning also.
LO RulesOriginally Posted by AnonymousOriginally Posted by Cyric
Great idea karmoon, thanks. i really didn't want to have to paint up all my squads differently!
Something I do for my black legion is paint the armour all-black on all chaos marines, then on the marked units (berzerkers, death guard etc.) have one shoulder pad in red or green (etc.) with the mark on. Obviously, also convert the model.
That way they are still marked and have "that feel", but it's still clear they are a part of your army.
The 'big 4" as you call them have to take a mark. The other Legions mentioned in the book can only take MoCU. Both have to follow the rules as mentioned in codex:chaos.
If you decide to make your own, you can pretty much do what you want and even (*gasp* HERESY) mix different marks. As long as you follow the rules and don't mix and match what cannot be mixed (Khorne and Slanesh ot Nurgle and Tzeentch) and remember that a mark changes the unit's position on the force organization chart you'll be ok.
And as mentioned before: regarding miniatures you can pretty much do whatever you want. after all it is your army. As long as the opponent can see that there is a difference between the squads/marks (either by different colors or conversions or banners) and/or you tell him before the game it is all good (remember the WYSIWYG rule for equipment and try to stick to it, at least a little bit).
If you plan to go to tournaments with the army you might want to invest in some parts that give the models a more "official" look otherwise you might run into some problems - people in this hobby can be very nit-picky (I would personally use stronger language here, but the forum rules don't allow that )
Shut up and play.
On the subject of mixing marks: You CAN mix conflicting marks in B.L., so long as the designated army leader does not have a mark that conflicts with any other mark in the army.
1-Leader with no mark or MoCU may have any marks in his army, even conflicting marks.
2- Lead with MoN can have any other than MoT.
I hate the black legion idea myself but it seems to be one of the more effective ways to go. Cult armies just have too many constraints... for me its not the lack of oblits or raptors but the unit size restrictions. So i've been working on an aligned army, and i want to try to mix slaanesh and nurgle. i think it'd be fun... but yeah, i hate calling them BL.
I have also been really interested in doing a Word Bearers army, but i hate painting daemons =P
Hey,Slaanesh and Nurgle are compatible, so go for it.i want to try to mix slaanesh and nurgleDon't. Call your army a Slaanesh list - MoS HQ and Troops and MoN Elites. Done.i hate calling them BL
Or a Nurgle list - Nurgle HQ and Troops and MoS Elites. Done. Enjoy.Don't. Daemons are optional, too. :- )interested in doing a Word Bearers army, but i hate painting daemons
Chaos is a 'run what ya brung' Codex. That's what makes it so cool.
Got Daemons? Pick a list that uses Daemons, and use them.
Cultists? Got you covered. Play on. Spawn? Basilisk? Chaplain? Vindi? Batman?
No problem. Like the ad says, "Have it your way."
Good luck, and have fun!