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People say so, but is it true? and why? S9 AP3 Large Blast sounds like a lot of dead marine; and since like 80% of ppl who play this game play SM, Defiler doesnt sound too bad. Any thoughts?
On many times in this forum, people have broken down all of the Defiler's weapons, daemonic upgrades, defense, and what naught, and it's not overpriced for it's statistical abilities. The problem most player's have with the defiler boils down to the fact that it's not consistent, and for 150 points (or 175 w/ indirect fire), that's very bad. The basilisk, conversely, is just as inconsistent, but at 100 points (125 w/ indirect fire), you're not investing so many points towards an inconsistent ord weapon.
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I love my defiler, I just hate how it works in game. For one, there is the inconsistency and for two there is the point cost. It's basically a basilisk with Mutated Hull and Daemonic Possession... Anyway, the main reason I use it is to force my opponent to deploy differently. Its a near constant threat till it gets popped sometime on Turn 3, and that edge helps a lot.
The one thing that I really dislike is that although the model is beautiful, the legs are so huge its hard to hide the guy. I think its garbage that if you have part of a leg sticking out the side of a forest, and it gets shot, then you explode. I'm not sure if it is "cheating" or not, but I leave my defiler legs mobile and move them around so I don't block my own LoS and can tuck behind smaller objects. I've had a few friends say its lame, and it is, but whats a guy to do? I don't even know if it is really illegal...
Having said that I spoke to my mate who works for GW.
I said to him that I didn't want a defiler as I heard they were crud.
He acknowledged that he had heard the same thing BUT believed from his own experience that they were fine. He pointed out that you might need to be a more skilled player to get the most out of them, and bad rep probably came from those who bought them thinking they looked cool but didn't perform to their expectations.
There might be some truth in that statement. What does everyone else think?
Diabolus fecit, ut id facerem!
Even though its ordinance and can be hit or miss, 3 Defilers and a Basilisk is an awful lot of scariness for your opponent. It is a vehicle that has a use... I don't leave home without one. I can't tell you how many times it's saved me, either by acting as a secondary fire magnet or by just surviving. Plus, it does look really cool.
S9 AP3 Large Blast sounds like a lot of dead marine.
Its true, but Battle Cannon has one less strength.
The one thing that I really dislike is that although the model is beautiful, the legs are so huge its hard to hide the guy.
Since when are the legs part of the hull of the Defiler?
If people are considering the legs of the defiler to hit it, I would raise an eyebrow. It is like targeting the tip of a necron gun.
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Defilers are great. It's a psychological tool. It looks big and scary, and has the potential to be very big and scary.
In every game i've used my defiler in, they've been destroyed, but as Ecchubless said, they made incredible fire magnets.
The threat of a battle cannon will psychologically damage all but the coolest or most experienced players.
And cool headed and experienced players will probably treat them with caution as they have a lot of desctuctive potential.
They're crap if they're the only armour on the field, but if you have a pair of defilers, or a leman russ or predator, then they're worth it i think. Just don't pimp it out. Indirect fire or nothing.
LO RulesOriginally Posted by AnonymousOriginally Posted by Cyric
You can set them up how you wish, but you really shouldn't be moving them in the middle of a battle, I don't think. I'm pretty sure it's illegal, and it sets a very dodgy precedent even if it isn't.. In the aforementioned example.. would you say it's fair to stretch one leg out to put it into base to base contact with the squad you can't really reach this turn? It just.. stinks a bit.
Defilers aren't bad.. They're just a bit limited, and slightly poor next to the guard equivallent (the Basilisk.) I think GW wanted them to be some kind of big stompy unit which you can march across the board blasting battle cannon shots at your enemies, but as it is, most players just use them for indirect fire.. as they aren't survivable enough to endure anything else.