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Well, after several years break and selling all my models I'm thinking about getting back into the game. This time with Chaos! Previously I had played Eldar. The new Chaos models are very nice, particularly the daemon prince of Khorne and the sexy new daemonettes. I'm looking at getting 1500 points of either World Eaters or Emperor's Children, and I would like to have a good number of daemons in the army.
I'm probably going to buy all at once with a friend so we can get a nice 25% discount from The War Store. And as an impoverished college student, I probably won't expand my army too much beyond what I initially buy. Which means I need to have a solid and well planned 1500 point army list that can be tooled down to 1000 and 500 points, will win games, and be fun to play and paint.
I've put a lot of consideration into World Eaters, and I'm a bit confused as to whether I should go for a smaller mechanized army or a larger foot slogging army. Either way I would like to have at least two squads of bloodletters and the Bloodthirster (I've got an awsome Balrog conversion idea), and possibly the dogs. Statured prince is important as well, because it's such an incredible model. The only thing I dislike about the WE army is the possibility of being dragged around by Eldar in speeders or other mobile units... I've also got an idea for some cool lava bases that would look great with the red and bronze khorne army...not so much with the pink/black/pallid flesh of an emperor's children army.
Speaking of the Emperor's Children... I play, first and foremost, to win. And the siren prince bike/daemon bomb sounds like it would dominate most armies. And the daemonette models are really, really cool. But I could see it getting old rather fast. Perhaps an Emperor's Children army that can do a massive daemon bomb in smaller games, but adds in havocs and something else for the full 1500 points?
I'm hoping you guys can give me some advice and useful comments, and help me come up with an army list from there.
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Last edited by artofluke; December 29th, 2006 at 13:23.
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World Eaters don't get lead around by the nose that often. I've tried doing it to them but since he got rid of berserker glaive it just hasn't been happening. Throw in an all lascannon predator and they are quite powerful. Mechanised isn't as good though as they occasionally frenzy out of their tanks.
As for slaanesh their daemon bomb isn't that great. Word bearers still have by far the best daemon bomb.
For a budget I would highly recommend the world eaters. Buy the prince and bloodthirster and just rampage over the board with 2 models. It lets you play high point games for little $. Then buy however many bloodletters you want (16 sounds good, you might want 24). Buy an all lascannon predator.
After that its a simple matter of buying a box of berserkers whenever you have some spare money or if they come up on ebay.
Last edited by LordLink; December 29th, 2006 at 13:34.
A quick question about the WE army...what do they do versus shooty armies? I can just see my army getting torn to pieces as I begin the slow march towards an enemy guardsman with 20 lascannon heavy weapon platforms...
Be careful with the Balrog... if you plan on attending any official GW events or tournaments, or playing in GW stores, your Bloodthirster will become illegal to use... because GW has some stupid forced policy that you can NOT play any LotR models or pieces on a table being used for Warhammer, and vice versa, even if no game is being played! By GW law, if you walk into a store, have a Warhammer model in your hand, walk over to the LotR table, drop something, and place the Warhammer model onto the LotR table for just a second to pick up whatever you dropped, you are breaking "GW Law".
Anyway, that doesn't matter for friendly games, just saying, for anything GW-Official you might run into problems if anyone finds out.
Anyway, most important thing, is more Berzerkers are more important than more upgrades... with all the upgrades and boosts you can give to characters you may feel the urge to tool everything up into super killing machines but IMO a squad of 8 Berzerkers with Champion Power Fist can dish out a lot more pain than a similarly-priced uber-HQ.
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You send forwards an invulnerable daemon prince forward to absorb firepower and simply run masses of berserkers across the board. It should be easier to do with a bloodthirster.
Though consider that WE can be competative, but you're relying heavily on the dice gods.
With little shooting and a penchant to charge forward like madmen, they can be really really predictable.
Key things to remember for the WE army:
1)put powerfists in every squad
2) take at least 2 predators at 1500pts, all lascannons
3)the bloodthirster is nice, but remember that you'll be snacrificing an AC to do it, if you only have 2 squads that's lowering the overall effectiveness of the force for one big nasty model(granted it can be good, but a lot of times, not)
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Lot's of good questions:
General note about Chaos: Chaos is designed to build an army around troops. While there are some exceptions, most good chaos builds have between 4-6 troop slots filled with either chaos marines or chaos marines mixed with daemons at a a 2/1 ratio.
Controlling a W.E. army: In my experience, most other armies don't control models with the MoK *that* much. Eldar, Tau, and landspeeder, however, do a pretty good job of it, especially with a glaived prince.
W.E. -vs- shooty armies: If you're having issues, then you can use rhinos to help block L.O.S.. I've actually used rhinos in conjunction w/ the talisman of the B.B.: The talisman for movement; the rhino for blocking L.O.S. It's expensive, but it works very well. Plus, the rhinos help to draw fire from your preds. The real advantage of rhinos, though, are their ability to block enemy models that are better in c.c. than W.Es, such as genestealers & Wyches. The rhino wall also helps to prevent your zerkers from charging undesired targets. You can place the rhino in the way.
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So what do you guys think of an Emperor's Children army that is heavier on the Daemonettes than most, but not a Siren Prince Bomb army? More or less potential for competition in a tournament setting? I've got no idea how to put one of these together as the new Chaos Legion rules came out after I quit playing, although I had faced a good number of Khornate Beserker armies back in the day.
Oh, and as for the Balrog Bloodthirster - there's no GW official store in my area, and I probably won't be playing at any official GW tournaments. And if I did, and wanted a Bloodthirster, I would probably just buy one. Although I thought I'd read on another forum the rules had been relaxed a bit since the LOTR game first came out...?
As for my order of WE, I was thinking about ordering something like this for army making:
1 Chaos Lord
1 Chaos Daemon Prince
3 WE Bikes (How do you get the bikes Legion specific, by the way? I'd like 8 but the models are very expensive.)
5 Beserker Aspiring Champions
3 Boxes of Beserkers
1 Box of Bloodletters
Although I wouldn't mind going with 4 AC, 2 boxes of Beserkers, and 2 boxes of Bloodletters. Bloodletters seem nasty and I like the variety having more of them on the field does for a WE army, aesthetically. What do you guys think? Any potential? The plan would be to summon Bloodletters on top of my enemies heaviest shooters using the bikes to hopefully give my Beserkers a chance of getting into the fray with fewer problems. Pretty simple army. In fact, a little too simple. :p
Last edited by artofluke; December 30th, 2006 at 01:01.
Your balrog is fine in friendly games and if you convert it and paint it well I doubt anyone would mind you using it. The no LotR rule is mostly just to stop people fielding wood elves using lothlorien or rough riders using rohan and things like that.
And whats this about buying aspiring champions? you only need 1 per squad and they come with the box.
But yes that list looks good. You don't really need the lord as you have a prince and a bloodthirster in future but its up to you.
Bikes can take MoK like everyone else. Just rap chains around the champion, turbo-boost him 1st turn and watch the fireworks go off on turn 2 summoning bloodletters to the icon and possessing the champion with a balrog/bloodthirster.