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Hey there, as some of you might have noticed, I'm new to Librarium and I'm enjoying myself a lot here. Enjoying the fact that I'm part of a good community, now enough with the sucking up and on with the acctual subject of the thread ^_^
I'm new to Warhammer 40'000 - but not new to Warhammer in general, I'm a collector (more than a player) but in points I have about 5300+ worth of High Elves. And I'm interested now in 'movin' on up' with 40K and more importantly with the Ruinous Powers. I'll admit I don't know much, (probably a fraction compared to what you guys must know) the little I know has been from the Fantasy part of Warhammer, Dawn of War and it's expansions (though I realize it tends to be very stereotypical) and lurking around here.
Anyway, I've read up on the Traitor Legions, I know (a bit) about them, mostly how they came to be, I don't know the technical stuff on how they're really different from one another on the battlefield (though obviously I can guess for the cult legions) and... yeah ^^. - I'm a big role-player, so fluffiness is extremely important to me, I don't care about cliches or 'what everyone has' I'm not really bothered by it.
As far as fluff is concerned I'm looking for the type of legion which would conquer in the name of itself, lead crusades that wouldn't necessarily mean slaughtering the local populace but use it to build the machinery of war. And slowly a sort of 'one planet at a time' 'Today Lorn V - Tomorrow Terra!' type thing. But maybe with some degree of compassion since I'm trying (with difficulty but anything can be done) to integrate some kind of love-story/complex-relationship deal into the mix when it comes to the Leader of said army.
You'll have some problems with that as the chaos marines don't have any feelings except those of hate, anger, rage and such.
They can't love anybody as the are posessed of a single thought revenge for what has been wrongfully done to them, they see themselves as the right ones and got betrayed after they were no longer usefull.
The hatred is what is sustaining them to keep on going, they don't care for anybody, not even their own battlebrothers and certainly not for any lesser mortal as they refere to humans ( the kindest word they could ), more often beeing filth, vermin, rodents, slaves etc etc.
Also if you wnat a legion that doesn't slaughter whole populations then chaos is the wrong place to look, the chaos marines have all been brutalized by their long existence of hatred, if you don't work then death is easiest penalty, more often than not you'll be mangled or even worse.
One Legion that comes closely to what you wnat are the Word Bearers, they enslave the populations of entire worlds and force them to build huge cathedrals in name of the chaos gods, they are highly zealious and religious, they were also the first legion to embrace chaos and they did it willingly.
Often cults are used to prepares worlds for them, they will attack without mercy, their greatest pleausre comes when they can turn others to embrace chaos and most often do with with excessieve use of brute force.
(Chaos Space Marines and heroism)Chaos Space Marines and heroism
(Love and Evil)Love and Evil
* There are some other views. I am from the others
* I agree with Word Bearers.
Or you can think up your own legion :rolleyes:
Your own legion can have special fluff as you want. You will have no problems with love etc. ! :w00t:
Last edited by Ota; February 19th, 2007 at 01:38.
... try Czech language ;-)
Last edited by ...got Rending?; February 19th, 2007 at 00:56.
Khorne would have also been good for killing in the name of itself, and not slaughtering innocent civilians. Unfortunatly GW has since changed the fluff a bit and turned khorne into more of a mindless bloodgod of killing, where he used to be all about the martial pride and honour of combat stuff, killing the helpless was frowned upon by khorne back in I think 2nd edition. At least I'm pretty sure about that.
LO RulesOriginally Posted by AnonymousOriginally Posted by Cyric
Since my fluffy requirements are quite demanding on existing Legions, I might just have to build my own chapter. - Man it's gonna take a lot of work, more than anything on the back-story to make it legit and not just 'oh another chapter just sprung up'. Might be worth it though, I can integrate my own visions into their ideals and shape it as I see fit.
It's not? How do you start? Do you base yourself on existing legions and go from that or do you make it up interely out from scratch?
The truth about the Horus Heresy (The Truth about Horus Heresy)
Not mine, but pretty damn good. And that's the viewpoint my army is taking.
If you have the chaos codex, you can see the bit of fluff about the Tabor people and the storm giants and the Prophet who helped them defeat them. This prophet was founding his own organsiation to extract vengeance on his loyalist brothers. Speed forward in time, the current leader (Daeva) was the Tabor man narrating and has now taken control of the organisation.
Because the prophet made large use of Daemons, I've built the army on Word Bearer rules. The prophet probably worked like Alpha Legion, infiltrating and setting up cults. So that's what the army does. It eschews armour, Infiltrates, and daemon bombs.
It's really not too hard to make your army heroic, even if your men are filled with hate (SMurfs are probably filled with hate for the enemy as they perform suicide missions i.e. targetting an orbital blast on themselves). Try making up your leader first and expand on him. Detail his weapons and wargear as well and where he got him and spider web out from there. Next move to your aspiring champions/vehicles and detail their service.
Then figure out points of note in the organisation's history, Nemises, preffered enemies, that sort of thing.
... only triumph could turn pooing his pants into a good thing..