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Well, after having read the Iron Snakes book, looked over the colour scheme, and generally thought about it a lot, I've decided that the phratry warriors are a pretty cool bunch. So, I have to write an army list for them. Besides, it gives me an excuse to use a trait that I've been looking at for years thinking "How cool would it be to have a chapter with this trait?"
I've decided, however, that none of the minor drawbacks really fit the Iron Snakes as they're described in the book, so in addition to Purity Above All, I've decided to take Suffer Not the Alien To Live (Eldar) [Though I could probably justify somehow the use of Suffer Not the Works of Heretics] in order to force myself to take a Major Drawback, which I felt would better represent the Iron Snakes.
Now that that's done, I've strayed pretty far away from the codex and I wonder if I shouldn't have kept it at one advantage and one minor drawback in the first place. If not, what do you think best represents the Iron Snakes in terms of drawbacks?
rawr...what iron snakes book are you referring to? I only ever seen them referenced in the Imperial Guard battle tactica fluff book.
juding from what I read so far...they know how to infiltrate quite well because of their surprise manuevers and tactical planning. so I think see but don't be seen is a must. The next would probably be "preferred enemy" Eldar.
not sure on drawbacks yet.
but can you give me your sources too?
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Sniping in with a nitpick, but the Iron Snakes (from the other media I've seen them in, Tactica Imperalis for one) don't have it in for the eldar so much...
They have it in for the dark eldar, its a goofy distinction I know, but from a rules perspective I don't think they're the same.
For more detail on the guys look up the Sabbat Worlds Crusade Book and the Tactica Imperalis. They feature with distinction in both. Although both books are Imperial Guard focused.
From what I've seen of them...See But Do Not Be Seen, might be a workable trait, as they tend to embody Odysseys and his mythos as a chapter. (Scylla and Charbydys in particular). I can see Iron Snakes hiding themselves in a giant icon of Gork, or Mork, to sneak up on some orks.
Spook2k5 - Suffer Not The Alien To Live (Eldar) Includes Dark Eldar. It's taking them as a species, not a Codex.
NiteRabbit - nice idea, wish I could do it myself but I can't tear away from my Ultramarines :-P
Purtity Above All is a must after Brothers of the Snake mentioning Apothecaries in all squads, and the Suffer Not The Alien To Live is the most fluffy after that I reckon.
It would be nice if you could give them harpoons and bolters... but c'est la vie, currently having bolters and ccws isn't really an option for SMs (incidentally I've just thought of a new Deathwatch Killteam model for my army heh).
As for a drawback... tricky. Maybe eye to eye? I know Priad uses a Land Speeder for recon early in the book but there was little mention of bikes... plus you could still have either 3 Tornadoes or 3 Attack Bikes with MMs...
Aspire to glory doesn't seem to fit because they are a well established Chapter with long traditions. Flesh over steel doesn't either because I recall several mention of tanks - certainly more than of bikes. Plus I can see them thinking of tanks as 'land ships' maybe? (goofy I know) whereas bikes don't really fit in with their maritime origins.
That would be my advice anyway :yes:
Purity Above All is pretty much definite, as they seem to love their Apothecaries. Other than that, the extensive use of bolters, combat shields and sea lances, as well as their focus on fraternal loyalty, leans towards Trust Your Battle-Brothers.
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@poodle: I had considered that, and I had also come to the conclusion that Eye to Eye made the most sense for a drawback, but if I took Trust Your Battle Brothers, I'd have to take a minor drawback as well and I can't really think of one that fits (even among the more "power-gamey" type traits). Hence why I'm in a bit of a quandry.
I haven't actually read the Tactica Imperialis or the Sabbat Worlds Crusade, although from what you've all told me already, I don't think it changes my view of the Iron Snakes much; I see them as a Codex chapter, more or less, but they do have some significant differences that cannot be addressed without corresponding drawbacks (for balance reasons, of course), which is what is giving me headaches right now.
I know someone mentioned that Eldar and Dark Eldar were different but for the purposes of the trait, Eldar includes all of them, Crafworld and Dark.
Last edited by NiteRabbit; July 26th, 2007 at 05:30.