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I have a query I'd like to get anyone's opinion on.
Yetsterday I was versing a Chaos Iron Warrior player down at my local club with my Imperial Guard and my friend's necrons (It was our first time at the club). The battle was around 2000 points and he proceeded to promptly wipe the floor with us, although it was still a great battle.
In deployment, I wasn't seeing any basilisks (which I thought was a staple of any iron warriors army. I asked him about it and he said that through his many years of experience in 40k he considered bassises to be one of the most cheesy units.
So, even though I love the bassies, I don't want to use it if people I play against consider them cheesy.
So what do you guys and gals think?
Is the bassie that cheesy?
I don't think the Basilisk is cheesy!
You should ask the guy who played the Iron Worriers what he meant. Maybe he just thinks taking them for Iron Worriers is cheesy. I don't know I think maybe taking three would be bready/cheesy, but one or two in a Guard army just makes things fun.
If you do things right people wont be sure if you have done anything at all.
Taking three basilisk's isn't cheesy, it's just plain stupid since very few boards will have the terrain to deploy them properly. Neither is one basilisk cheesy, it's a perfect way to counter the weakness of an otherwise static army since it does not requite LOS to fire... in return a large portion of the board will be within the minimum firing arc for indirect fire and we all know that basilisks explode if you as much as look at them for too long....
Oh god, no way.
Any idiot with a fast unit can kill them. MM Landspeeders, Vypers, or basically any AT unit with LOS will destroy them very easiy. They're powerful, but flimsy.
Bassies are glass cannons. It is almost impossible for them to be beardy. Maybe in a 1000
point game on a 4x8 table (lengthwise) would be a cheesy play, but it still isn't beardy.
Now, what is Beardy to me? Well in the old days, Beardy was the Nurgle Terminator Lord with powerfield (2+ invulnerable save) and whatever else for 299 points (Making sure it wasn't worth one more victory point. Playing a single uber offensive AND defensive unit (usually with the cost to match) was beardy.
Beardy isn't always even necessarily a good strategy, it is just playing a Big Huge Uber Unit. The 30th anniversary edition White Dwarf figure was the epitome of Beardy.
The word your friend was looking for was "cheese" and even still one bassie isn't...
RecklessFable's Journey to Mediocrity (Painting an IG army)
I've been addicted to World of Tanks lately and neglecting my IG... But it is so... much... fun!
Oh well, I guess in the end it's all down to personal opinion.
Maybe the way he has used his army over the years has made it more susceptible to indirect fire.
Thanks for the replies.
One SM player won't play me if I field bassies.
He plays an army with some weird SM doctrine like thingy that lets him get about 10 apothicaries and then he deploys 1 massive 4+ cover terrain on both sides of the battlefield to ensure I have to do 22 wounds on average to kill 1 of his men (and that's when he gets a 4+ save and not a 3+!)!!!
Needless to say, I stopped playing him but not before I suggested he paint his army yellow to represent the cheese.
The Basilisk is not cheesy. It is moreless a Chimera with a big gun on it and very easily destroyed if you know what your doing. Course what I do may be viewed as cheesy 2 lemans and nearly 100 gaurdsmen in a 1000 point battle. And some times i even fit in a bassie im too cheap for the indirect fire and is usually used as a direct fire monster flanked by 2 lemans. but back to the bassie's chessyiness it is much too easily killed for it to be called cheesy. I've killed it in the endgame with a two man squad of guardsmen who had a grenade launcher.
Last edited by Joe the Guardsmen guy; August 8th, 2007 at 05:07.