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Have you ever played a guy who tries to find out exactly what your army list is, then totally "customizes" his army 5 minutes before you start to specifically fight yours? I really hate this. Unless his army has some killer spies, there's no way he could know exactly what I'm taking to the fight. To defeat this, I'll usually keep my army in my carrier and my list to myself until we actually start deploying. Or, maybe bring some other stuff that I'm not planning to use, take it out of the carrier before we start, then not deploy it.
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Well if you are playign with friends I am pretty sure they have your list down packed. Like me I now everyones list at the store I paly at so thats why I pack alot of plasma and lascannons since there are alot of marine players.
And someone explain to me min-max and stack is? Not 100% sure what it is.
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I believe what he means by Min-Max is..adn I might be wrong. But if you field and army with NO wargear upgrades you can normally fild half again as much as you were able to before. And as for Army lists...well occasionally tlend a thougthto 'Out cheese' your opponent.
Like this maybe, I carry about 4-5 army lists with me...they are different int hat..
1: A 1500 Point list throwing out 20 Termies and lots of basic Troop, on heavy weapon per squad
2: Anti Chaos: Three Devsquads, one with 4 plasma Cannons, one with 4 Lascannons, One with Either Heavy bolters/Rocket Launchers, or a Lascannon, Rocket Combo. Cheap as all hell...but legal
3: Anti Tau/Eldar...NO wargear, somewhere around 85 Marines, three devsquads and some Rhinos...Cheap? Yes..Legal..very
Maxing out your armies potential is fun,a nd as for them knowing..if they KNOW your army lsit they are probabykl going to use very,....NORMAL, anti you tactics..therefore..just throw them ***** off and switch your gameplan.
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I always tell them to write an army list, then we exchange each others army list, have a look at it, and then put in the table (my army list on my side and his on his side of the table) Then we start deploying. The rules are that you can ONLY deploy what's on your army list, nothing else, and you can't add wargear of any kind that's on the army list.
i like to say somrthing like you can see my list when we deploy. i do this beacause its way more fun to just pick a take all army list and battle it out like that.
just an opinion though
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power gamers rely on having a statistical advantage. Try to deny them that adavantage.
Example: playing against some wone who has maxed out the number of heavy weapons, just assault them. Chances are you have SOMETHING that is good for assault, and he doesn't, so deny line of sight untill you get into their face.
Example: playing some one who builds the largest mob army they can. force them into a bottle neck if you can, if terrain can't help you, then force them to split up. You have to know your aponent, and how he acts, if you wan't to force him to split his army though, but once you do you can take him apart in much more sizable chunks. Divide and conquer.
Even if they have a well balanced list, you can still find problems in their strategy.
Min-Max'ing is a term I picked up from my role-playing days.
It generally means manipulating the rules to get maximum effect, throwing out all the role-playing, fluff, realism aspects of the game. The min-max'er usually takes the minimum required stuff, and maximizes things like specialty troops, wargear, hq's, etc... So, a min-max space marine army might have 2 5-man tactical squads, 3 5-man devastator squads with 4 heavy weapons apiece, and 3 terminator squads, and a hq with all the war gear possible plus a tooled up honour guard.
Power-gamers play the game to win and beat their opponent as quickly and devastating as possible. They don't try to have fun, they don't get into fluff, they don't take reality or 'what would this guy do if he were real' into account. Usually they show up with a dark eldar force, all spray painted primer black, with 30+ dark lances and 5+ skimmers.
Stacking is where the guy totally rewrights his army list after seeing your list. Such as an eldar player changing all his heavy weapons to star cannons after he sees you are playing space marines with no vehicles.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
40k scale thunderhawk, not as odd as it seems, drop it on their head
Of course if you wanted to do it nicely bring 2 completely different armies and make sure eveyone sees the one you're not going to use and not the one you're going to use
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Fluff is cool but and it is just a game.....but you gotta play to win.
I always tell them to write an army list, then we exchange each others army list, have a look at it, and then put in the table (my army list on my side and his on his side of the table) Then we start deploying. --Uniruler
That's how we play here, no changing list at the last minute.
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Bottom line here is....you play to win.
If everyone tried to Roleplay their armies then it woudl be a COMPLETELY different game.
In EVERY type of army there is an inherent weakness. Event hsoe armies you say are "Cheese" Thanks to the many terminators or Lots of Armor? Well you should..as a competant general have a contingeny plan for that in mind. When someone Maxs what they can have, well...then the short themselves on Manpower. EVEN if someone takes ALOT Of heavy weapons...that is still a finite amount of firepower, and not much between you and them. The army lists, point values, and choice options are there for ALL Types of players to enjoy. Frankly..it's a bit arrogant of one to assume that because someone plays to win Devestingly and decisivly that it isn't fun for them. I HATE to lose one of my marines..and my army list shows it. Iw ant to outthink, muslce, and Gun my opponenets as much as I can in order to secure the best victory possible. Play around with yoru codex and find out nwew ways you can play, Restrictive playign due to someone else's shortsightedness is very...un-fun. I, and the people I playw ith both carry our armies...and lists with the idea of beign able to change thema round and play versatile with them. Thsi is what the games alla bout, if you don't like getting beaten...rethink your strategy, don't concentrate so much ont he ther persons Army and Wargear.