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Hey everyone im new around here so bear with me.
the way i see it is that if you use the normal codex list without traits its considered an ultramarines army, this is good for me because i like there special characters.Now here comes my problem i hate the Ultramarine color scheme so i would paint them something else(black and white or silver and black) and i would say in their fluff that they were a different chapter or something. So my question is would it be frowned upon if i took an ultramarine special character in a non ultramarine(fulff and color wise) army. yes i know that it is a stupid question but still its been bugging me.
It should be fine. As long as they are vanilla (no traits) i don' think anyone would have a problem with it. The only time the colour of a model affects the rules of the game is for red paint jobs on Ork vehicles as far as i know
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not really, just tell someone it uses ultramarine rules and whatnot, and if someone argues, say that it's an ultramarine successor chapter but remember to tell them it's using ultramarine rules!
oh which reminds me, does it say anywhere in the rulebook besides in the fluff that ultramarines can't use traits? cause nid war vets with prefered enemy against some other xenos would be cool.
oh and if they still argue, just say their lysanderwing, DA, BT, SW, BA or whatever list isn't really in the armies colours, so it has to be a vanilla list
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If you want traited Ultramarines (god knows why) you could maybe get away with Preferred Enemy: Tyranids if you say you're playing a Tyrannic War veteran company, and if you take loads of Tyrannic War Veterans. Since Tyrannic War Veterans aren't that good to begin with, it gets points for fluff and for anti-beardiness.
I wouldn't put Tigurius in, though. That's pushing it.
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You mean, like using Tigirius and Grand Marneus, but painting them a different color?
Casual games, unless they are a loser, they probably won't care. Tournament might be different though, some people can be pretty strict about stuff.
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You cant give untramarines traits as the trait rulse are designed to show a chapters slight deviences to the codex astartes, a practice utterly heretical thoe the sons of maccrage.
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Well, I for one would not be cool with using Ultramarine special characters in an army that wasn't painted blue, and had no traits.
The whole point about special characters is that they represent a cool thing that is unique for that army.
Nothing in the rules specifically states: Ultramarines are painted blue, and if you do not have blue Ultramarines then you may not use Marneus Calgar (et all), because that seems to be common sense.
Now, I know common sense isn't always that 'common', especially in regards to GW, but fluff is fluff, man.
As far as traits, if you can convince me that the (presumabley blue) Ultramarines were in a situation where they make sense (ie: the 3rd company could concievably have Prefered Enemy: Nids, or you could take Be Swift As The Wind to represent a bike mounted attack force from the 6th Company) then fine, but I wouldn't let you use UM special characters, as they are specifically for non-traited UMs.
It is clearly the spirit of the rules that UM characters should be used in a UM blue army, but it is not stated. Personally, I prefer to play rules as they are intended, rather than strictly as they are written (in friendly matches only, of course...).
But that is just me. I am fairly strict on my fluff, because, to be honest, without it the game kinda falls flat, in my opinion, because without the fluff there are no models, and without the models there is no game.
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