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Me and a friend were arguing about which is the the better elites choice for IG. I think stormtroopers because of the equpment (carapace, hellguns, F and K grenades as standard, ETC) and he thinks hardened vets beacause of versatility (3 spec weapon options, cheaper, Sgt can choose officer only items, infiltrate as standard, ETC). so I am asking which is better to you.
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I find that IG is almost always up against heavily armoured enemies. The usual stormtrooper or guardsman has little hope in wounding them. Therefore, I believe that every special weapon that you can take is necessary. On this point alone, I make sure that my armies are vet heavy.
I don't use veterans, as I feel stormtroopers fit into the feel of my DKoK army more, however for usefullness, I'd say definately veterans.
If I was choosing a Guard army for winning, I'd definately take the Veterans doctrine and field 3 full squads. Giving the Sarg. a plasma pistol means 4 plasma weapons infiltrating in each squad - so much fire power for very cheap.
i think they both have their uses, but for me the hardened vets edge it due to their extra special weapon slots and all round weapon options- plus you can have good fun modelling them!
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I have both, but I usually only use stormtroopers as allied Witch Hunter troops.
What do you call a lasgun with a laser sight?
I use both with the grenadier option because I like having my troop choice small and with decent armor. Vets are by far the most point effiecent unit between the two and they give me the chance to use my squats.
general efficiency and effectiveness, veterans will wing it 8 time out of 10. fluff wise stormies wing it about 7 times out of 10
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I definitely think the veterans are better. They get more of what counts (special weapons and heavy weapons) for less points. I get 3 maxed out squads in all my lists (mechanized, cameleonic light infantry and drop troops. And no I don't have all the models).
Vets. They are more versite, cost less, same BS, infiltrate for free, targets lose importance once you have a bit of experience and can accurately guess ranges yourself and the armour, while nice is not that good for me as i prefer to rely on cover. BTW if you dig around in the forums here you will find several other threads just like this one. Look for them if you want to find more.
what do you call a lasgun with a laser sight?