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well im starting a raven guard army and would like some help on creating it (just come from greyknights so have no idea of how they play but do know most rules) and also is shrike a good idea
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Stealth, speed and close combat. I suggest taking many assault marine squads, and for troops maybe scouts because they can infiltrate. It's hard to be specific without further input (opponent, mission, terrain, style of play, personal likings, etc).
About Shrike: I proxied Raven Guard once just because I wanted to try that infiltrating, scout moving jump infantry with power weapons re-rolling to wound and whatnot (even rending in the case of Shrike himself). AWESOME! And he did quite well. The drawback was that the rest of my army was pretty small as Shrike and his bodyguard are expensive as the devil's shoes. And for this reason (and because Shrike and his guard don't have any invulnerable save in close combat and are as vulnerable to shooting as any other marines barring cover, while costing as much as a whole lot of them) Shrike is not as optimal as his stats suggest. Some swear on him, others keep him out of their armies. Your call which side to join...
With Shrike, it's all going to come down to whether or not the opponent has a chance to lay into you with fire, and that's going to come down to deployment and winning the first turn roll. The latter can't be controlled, but as long as you can make absolutely sure deployment-wise that you can be out of sight of shooting until Shrike and friends can get into combat, he'll be great. If he can be shot...well, he and his models are way too pricey to lose, especially early, and that price is going to limit the rest of your army.
My advice is to leave Shrike out. The RG are a great army, and can be a whole lot more effective if you take that minimum 500ish points and put them towards more units. I just don't care for the risk vs. reward.
If you go for Shrike, don't get his squad. He's an amazing anti-infantry CC machine, but if you match him up against Power Fists or enemy characters, he's going to go down due to the lack of invulnerable save.
When going Raven Guard, the best way to go is fluffy. Take several Assault Squads (I find that two for 1850-2000 points is good) with Furious Charge, take some Scouts as your Troops, a Tactical Squad or two in Drop Pods, and leave more static units out (Terminators have no place, for example!).
My biggest advice to you is to look at various SM army lists, then search for Raven Guard army lists (my own is posted in my Tale of Painters thread in the Painting > Projects forum if you want to check it out), then create your own and let people pick it apart.
I disagree personally, I think Shrike (and just Shrike, not his Wing) is a fairly good buy.
Obviously he is better against certain armies, but he can be fantastic.
Don't think of him (or any other Marine HQ for that matter) as a character killer/assassin, but rather as a weapon to target any stray enemy squads, especially if they are lacking a fist (or equivilent).
Use his infiltrate and scout to get him in position for a first turn charge, but out of LOS of the enemy (ie: BEHIND terrain, not in it), and slaughter a squad or two. My favorite thing to do this to is Eldar Guardians...
Check out Lost Nemesis's list *here* ([Tale of Painters] Raven Guard) to see an interesting example of a nicely themed RG list, imo.
EDIT: CURSE YOU NEMESIS! CURSE YOU!!!
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Shrike and his Wing can be very valuable if employed properly. The problem is few people know how to use them correctly.
As for how they operate:
This should help.
thanks for you input guys, im going with 2 tactical squads, 2 scout squads (snipers), shrike, 2 assult squads
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All of my friends tell me i need to get more tactical squads which i think is utter bull.
being a raven guard player i found that more of my kills come from assaulting rather than shooting. shrike is a very valuble option if you use him to cut down stray units such as an Imperial Guard unit or a Space marine scout squad. i only have one, 5 man assault squad in my army at the moment, but in the near future i am looking to bring this up to four 5 man assault squads + shrike's wing.
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