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Making a 500pt list, which is basically comprised of two Tac Squads, one with Melta in Razorback, one on foot with Lascannon and Plasma Gun and a LST for fast support and was wondering what the pros and cons of fielding either a Chappy or Libby with the Razorback squad would be.
Judging from most of the research I've done, the Chappy seems to be the most common choice, but has anyone fielded a Libby in a 500pt game? Are they worth it?
Thanks for the input!
The Chaplain is the cheapest command unit we have aside from the cheap captains. He's also exceedingly well equipped for the points. So yeah, he's almost always the preferred choice. A lightweight Captain could work well too - functions like a somewhat tougher sergeant, but you get Rites of Battle... Also very handy.
As for a Librarian... Well, it goes both ways.
Of course, the biggest issue is his cost - my own Librarian for normal games can easily approach 250 points, all on his own! An awful lot of eggs in one basket, and simply ludicrous at 500 points. Even a lightly equipped Librarian hits 120 to 140 points, minimum. Can you afford that kind of points?
On the other hand though, a decently equipped Librarian can cut a bloody swathe through everything in his path in a way that even the mighty Chaplain is hard pressed to emulate. He's one of those few, rare units that can potentially (and often reliably) kill nearly ANYTHING all on his own and then just keep on going. That kind of raw power can be overwhelming in a small game - just as an example, my fully equipped Librarian mentioned above could probably shred your average 500 point force all on his own with a little luck.
So either one is worth it, and the Librarian has the potential for mass slaughter that even the chappie lacks. Be careful not to sink too many points into either choice, though!
EDIT @ Guthbrand: Why yes, actually...
250pts? What did you take veil of time and half the armory? O_o
Libbies generally seem too expensive to me for 500pts.
As for Masters, it really comes down to whats in your list.
I typically field power fisted sgts, so I don't have a leadership gap, and the chaplain tends to help my 10 man, power fist sgt led, 2 flamer, frag grenade'd tactical team.
For fun in a friendly game or two, I've taken the cc monster libby (Veil of Time, Might of Heroes, Jump Pack), and he's torn through the entire enemy army on his own (hit Necron Group 1, overrun into Necron Group 2, overrun, phase out). However, this was just for fun, because had I lost him to shooting somehow, it would have very much been the end of my game, because the Libby costs so much.
For your setup and the points value, I would suggest the Chaplain.
Having re-read the first post. The OP asked for pros and cons...so let me see what I can do...
* Very tough unit.
* Brings psychic powers AND psychic counters to the low level game, where leadership values are unlikely to beat his, and his various powers are all potential 'I win' buttons if used properly.
* Provides an 'assault monster' to the marines that lets them take care of 'commander type' models easier.
* Very expensive unit. Starts expensive, and then requires requisites in the form of bolt pistol, psychic powers and a 'survival enhancer' such as an iron halo.
* Still vulnerable to everything a marine is vulnerable to.
* Most don't take psychic powers at low level games, making hood useless. Most in low level games take numbers.
* Psychic abilities may be difficult to properly target or time against smaller, harder to pin down, enemy forces at 500.
* Most enemies don't field the multiwound models force weapons excel against in 500pt.
* Improves ALL units he's attached to thanks to Litanies of Hate and making them Fearless.
* Is cheapest HQ choice, and for standard gropos build only requires spending points on a bolt pistol. Terminator honors is just for being mean. (Reclusiarch with bp, frags, and terminator honors is still cheaper then the most lightly equipped Codicer and vastly more effective in assault).
* Has a rosarius, "free." Has a power weapon, "free."
* Needs to be attached to a squad for maximum benefit.
* Still vulnerable to everything a normal marine is vulnerable to.
* Has difficulty dealing with multi-wound models.
* Fearlessness is a two edged sword.
The cheapest Librarian is 101 points, add an extra 5 for might of heroes spell and he is great in CC, this still means he doesn't have an invulnerable save. The cheapest chaplain is 86 points, has an invulnerable save, but isn't as fun a a librarian. haha.
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